What really drives conflict, silence, burnout, and sudden resignations at work?

In this powerful conversation, Benjamin Fry unpacks the story of the nervous system and why so many workplace reactions have nothing to do with performance, capability, or attitude—and everything to do with unfinished threat responses stored in the body.

Drawing on ideas from his book The Invisible Lion, Benjamin explains why humans overreact, underreact, freeze, fawn, or suddenly flee workplaces they once loved.

Together, we explore:

• Why workplaces amplify nervous system dysregulation—especially where hierarchy exists
• The difference between shutdown vs containment, and why “appropriate reactions” build trust
• How boundaries are not about controlling others—but about caring for your own nervous system
• Why psychological safety isn’t about being “nice,” but about feeling safe enough to stay regulated
• How leaders can spot dysregulation in real time—and slow moments down before they escalate
• Why listening is often more regulating than anything you can say
• Benjamin also explains the origin of the Invisible Lion metaphor—why behaviour only makes sense when we understand the unseen context behind it—and how workplaces can stop leaving people alone with their lions.

This episode is essential listening for leaders, HR, OD practitioners, and anyone who wants to build cultures where people don’t just perform—but feel safe enough to stay, speak, and be themselves.

🌐 Website: https://benjaminfry.co.uk/

🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjamin-fry

📘 The Invisible Lion (book): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1910919246

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