Noah Baumbach and Emily Mortimer discuss learning rigor from Wes Anderson, how defending murderers can make someone a better writer, and why first drafts are supposed to be difficult. In a loose, wide-ranging conversation, they break down how Baumbach’s early, half-formed ideas slowly turned into a finished script through collaboration, argument, and repetition.

Baumbach reflects on working with Wes Anderson early in his career and how that experience taught him not to settle for scenes that merely function, but to keep revisiting the work until it truly clicks. That discipline shapes his process today and defines his collaboration with Mortimer, who describes acting as both creative partner and structural enforcer, pushing story logic while learning to trust that rough early drafts are part of the job.

Mortimer shares how her father’s career as a criminal defense barrister — defending even the most unsavory clients — shaped her approach to character, empathy, and judgment, and why treating every character as innocent until proven otherwise leads to richer storytelling. Together, they talk about why most writing starts out bad, how cutting scenes often helps better versions emerge later, and how creative disagreements can strengthen a script.

The conversation also touches on directing actors, including working with George Clooney, and why sticking closely to the page can actually give performers more freedom. It’s a casual, honest look at collaboration, craft, and the long, uncomfortable process of turning ideas into films.