Buckle up. Episode 9 of Average On Purpose features our guest Patrick, who worked at the NSA during the same era Edward Snowden was there. Patrick joins us for a chaotic, laugh-heavy, mini therapy session where we ask the questions everyone wants to ask—and he shares what he can share. Expect real talk, uncomfortable truths, and the kind of “wait… what?” moments that make you pause and rewind.

• What it was like working inside the NSA during that time, and what the public doesn’t understand about how it all works

• How security culture actually feels day-to-day: training, protocols, paranoia, and the unspoken rules

• Patrick’s perspective on the Snowden era and the ripple effects that changed everything

• What people assume about intelligence work vs. what it’s really like behind the scenes

• The line between “spilling the beans” and what he legally/ethically can’t say—and how weird that line is in real life

• A few unexpectedly human moments: stress, identity, humor as coping, and why people inside the system are still just people

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