A Theology Lab podcast on faith and justice amidst suffering and evil. Rev. Munther Isaac—known for his influential sermon “Christ in the Rubble”—and Mary Speta, Executive Director of Amirah, discuss how faith helps them love amidst impossible situations. The conversation addresses theology and the message of Scripture.

Together, they offer thoughtful theological reflection on some of today’s most challenging global issues: war, human trafficking, trauma, and the radical call to love one’s enemy. Designed for learners, students, and anyone seeking to deepen their understanding of Christian moral discernment, this Theology Lab session (part of the Deliver Us From Evil series).

Rev. Munther Isaac brings pastoral insight shaped by conflict and suffering, while Mary Speta offers an expert, survivor-informed perspective on exploitation and restorative justice. Key learning themes include: Christian approaches to understanding war, violence, and human suffering How faith communities can respond to human trafficking with wisdom and compassion The call to love one’s enemy and its implications for discipleship, as well as reflecting on how to deal with anger

➡️ Learn more about the organization Mary leads: https://www.amirahinc.org/

Check out Rev. Munther's book: https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802885548/christ-in-the-rubble/

The interview includes licensed music (Artlist): I Promise by Ian Post (ian-post)

Learn more about Theology Lab: www.theologylab.org