What happens when Julie overhears Martha in a DC coffee shop?? They discover they're both passionate about the same marriage-saving system and more. In this conversation, Martha sits down with Julie Shain to discuss how Fair Play transformed their marriages, reduced conflict by up to 70%, and created space for the lives they actually wanted to live.

Julie opens up about navigating marriage with three kids under five, the passive-aggressive WhatsApp chains that nearly broke her relationship, and how a simple card game became the foundation for sustainable change. Plus, she shares her expertise on building positive habits that actually stick...no perfection required.

• Why the "unromantic stuff" (laundry, dishes, logistics) can make or break your happiness
• How Fair Play reduced marital friction by 70% in Julie's household
• The research-backed reason you need to celebrate small wins (yes, even as an adult)
• Why "frequency first" is the secret to making habits stick
• How to recover from falling off a habit without throwing everything away
• The five stages of change and why relapsing is actually normal
• Practical tips for families with ADHD to implement Fair Play successfully

Julie Shain is a habit formation expert, writer, and mother of three living in Washington, DC. She created Inhabit, a newsletter and platform dedicated to helping people build sustainable positive habits. Drawing on research in behavioral psychology and her personal experience transforming her own family dynamics, Julie writes about everything from exercise and relationships to quality time and Fair Play implementation.

• Fair Play by Eve Rodsky (book and card game)
• How Not to Hate Your Husband After Kids (book mentioned)
• Inhabit Quiz
• The Five Stages of Change
• Defeat the Troll Quiz
• Julie's IG
• Martha's IG

• Newsletter & Platform: getinhabit.substack.com

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