In this episode of The Family Dialogues Podcast, Dr. Burke sits down with Dr. Willard F. “Bill” Harley Jr., clinical psychologist, marriage counselor, and bestselling author of His Needs, Her Needs, to explore a question many parents wrestle with but rarely say out loud: Should marriage come before children and why does it matter so much?

Dr. Harley draws on over six decades of marriage research and counseling to explain how prioritizing romantic love between spouses creates emotional safety for children, strengthens family stability, and protects marriages from drifting into resentment, distance, or a “roommate” dynamic. He shares why neglecting a spouse’s emotional needs especially after children arrive is one of the biggest threats to long-term marital health.

This conversation dives deeply into Dr. Harley’s emotional needs framework, including why men and women often prioritize different needs, how affection creates the environment for intimacy, and why intimate conversation, recreational companionship, and consistent connection are essential to keeping love alive. Dr. Harley also addresses common parenting challenges, including newborns, toddlers, exhaustion, lack of childcare, and limited time and explains why 15 hours of undivided couple time per week can transform a marriage, even in the busiest seasons of parenting.

Parents will walk away with practical tools, mindset shifts, and reassurance that loving your spouse well is not selfish, but one of the greatest gifts you can give your children.

• Why prioritizing marriage benefits children emotionally and developmentally
• The long-term impact of neglecting emotional needs after children arrive
• Dr. Harley’s emotional needs model and why needs differ between spouses
• Affection vs. sexual fulfillment: environment vs. event
• Why intimate conversation is foundational for lasting love
• Recreational companionship and staying connected through shared enjoyment
• Balancing marriage, parenting young children, and exhaustion
• Avoiding the “roommate marriage” trap
• Why dating your spouse is essential at every stage of family life

• Dr. Willard F. Harley Jr.: Marriage Counselor & Clinical Psychologist
• Book: His Needs, Her Needs – Dr. Willard F. Harley Jr.
• Book: Love Busters – Dr. Willard F. Harley Jr.
• Book: Five Steps to Romantic Love – Dr. Willard F. Harley Jr.
• Marriage Builders Program – marriagebuilders.com
• Marriage Builders Emotional Needs Questionnaire
• Marriage Builders Coaching & Courses
• Marriage Builders Radio Show / Podcast
• Dating the One You Married (Marriage Builders resource)