In this episode of Make It Make Sense, Alabama, Neeli Faulkner and Whitney Scapecchi sit down with Jeremy and Heather Clark, the husband and wife team behind C.4 Cattle Company and Vets to Cowboys in Grand Bay, Alabama.

What started as a way to feed their special needs son clean, tolerable food grew into a working cattle operation. It also grew into a nonprofit mission. Vets to Cowboys focuses on bridging a real gap in Alabama agriculture. An older generation of farmers is aging out, too many family farms are disappearing, and first generation landowners often have no clear path to learn the basics safely and sustainably.

Jeremy, a retired Army veteran, and Heather, with a background in healthcare and animal husbandry, explain what mentorship looks like in practice. They walk through the “blueprint” they wish they had. Soil studies before cattle. Fence and handling systems before buying animals. Rotational grazing, local networks, and why organizations like the Alabama Cattlemen’s Association matter even for people who do not own cattle yet.

This conversation is about more than cattle. It’s about food, land, workforce, veteran transition, and what it takes to keep Alabama’s country roots alive while helping people build something real.

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