Peter and Aubrey dig into Dungeon Crawler Carl by Matt Dinneman — all seven books, with book eight nine days out. They cover how they each came to the series, why the audiobooks (narrated by Jeff Hays) are basically the only correct way to experience it, and what separates DCC from the litRPG slop Peter burned out on years ago. The back half goes full spoilers: theories on the ending, whether Donut survives, and a frank debate about where DCC actually sits in the pantheon — fun and entertaining, they agree, but not literature, which is fine — and which leads Peter to take a brief shot at Brandon Sanderson on his way out the door.

SHOW NOTES

• How they found the series — Aubrey was skeptical (a talking cat named Princess Donut did not sell her), but Hayden's enthusiasm eventually won out; Peter needed something lighter after slogging through The Three-Body Problem book two.
• The audiobook question — Both agree Jeff Hays is essential; his voice work is so distinctive that he omits dialogue tags in places because you simply know who's talking. Audiobook sales reportedly outpace ebook and print combined.
• The litRPG problem — Peter contextualizes why he's wary of the genre: most of it trends toward male power fantasy with inexecrable harem dynamics. DCC's reluctant, morally grounded protagonist is a deliberate contrast.
• Matt Dinneman's origin story — Before the pandemic, he traveled the country doing commissioned cat portraits at cat shows. A staring Persian cat inspired Princess Donut. COVID shut that down; he started posting chapters on Royal Road, and it exploded from there.
• Series overview (spoiler-free) — Earth gets strip-mined by the Borant Corporation, collapsing all buildings and turning the planet into an 18-level dungeon broadcast as galactic entertainment. Carl and his now-sentient cat Princess Donut navigate it while inadvertently becoming agents of chaos against the whole system.
• SPOILER SECTION: Series theories — Both think Carl will dismantle the Borant Corporation rather than complete the dungeon; Peter predicts the series ends at level 12, with the deity/ascension mechanics being the key. Ten books total, per Matt Dinneman's own Reddit comments.
• Will Donut survive? — Neither is confident. Peter says if Donut dies, he stops reading; Aubrey thinks losing her would send Carl fully off the rails. The cover where Donut is absent did not help their anxiety.
• Favorite moments — Aubrey's top two: Carl telling Prepotente to "eat a bag of dicks," and Donut screaming "die motherfucker die" while drunk. The Prepotente/Carl reconciliation in book seven gets genuine appreciation from both.
• Jeff Hays fandom — He's locked into the Carl and Donut voices permanently; he's confirmed he can't use them for other projects. A convention clip of Hayes singing "Wonderwall" in the Donut voice while Matt Dinneman plays guitar on stage is, per Aubrey, simply iconic.
• The verdict — Fun books, not great books, and that's okay. Peter lands a parting shot: Brandon Sanderson could learn something from DCC about not taking himself quite so seriously.