Hedda and Charly have each spent over 20 years committing their life's work - and capital - to impact: the aspiration that we can actually leave the world better off, on a social and ecological level.

But two decades in, both of them are aware that the movement is stuck in its own bubble, too small, pretty to look at floating in the sky, but not prepared to match the scale of our new normal.

So how do we become part of the solution - not just with our capital, but with how we work, live and show up in the world?

In this conversation, recorded in Amsterdam during Katapult Future Fest, Hedda and Charly ask whether impact investing is actually working, what it means to realize you might be part of the problem you're trying to solve and why real change has to start on the inside, not just in one’s portfolio.

Hedda’s recommendations to dive deeper:

• Vanessa Machado de Oliveira, Hospicing Modernity. Facing Humanity's Wrongs and the Implications for Social Activism
• Francis Weller, In the Absence of the Ordinary: Soul Work for Times of Uncertainty
• The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens, Series “A Guide to Staying Human” (Podcast)
• Beyond System Change - Nervous Systems, Planetary Consciousness and the Limits of Human Control (Substack)

Episode Credits:

• Hosts: Charly Kleissner, Andrea Wyss
• Producer: Felix Zeltner
• Editing: Rabea Debus
• Visual: Jana Meier-Roberts
• Editorial Support: Mario Vigl