Episodes

  • E34 - How Will AI Work with Document Management? NetDocuments CPO Dan Hauck
    Dec 4 2025

    Zach sits down with NetDocuments Chief Product Officer Dan Hauck to unpack how AI is truly being used inside law firms and in-house legal teams today - from large-scale document profiling to agentic assistants that search, summarize, and edit directly within the DMS. Recorded live at ND Inspire conference, Dan explains why lightweight models are unlocking new automation, how in-house teams are often leading on adoption, and why the real ROI of legal AI goes beyond efficiency to include better onboarding, less isolation, and more confident decision-making for lawyers at every level.

    In This Episode
    • The biggest changes Dan has witnessed after 8 years of the Inspire conference

    • How firms are using AI at scale — not just on pilot use cases

    • Why automated document profiling is now possible across millions of docs

    • Understanding small models vs. large models in legal workflows

    • How AI pipelines classify, extract, and enrich metadata instantly

    • New use cases emerging inside the DMS (repapering, diligence, discovery, onboarding)

    • Why in-house teams are often ahead of firms in AI adoption

    • How agentic AI assistants reduce loneliness and cognitive overload

    • The ROI debate: real numbers vs. intangible benefits

    • What lawyers gain: better focus, faster context loading, and stronger client service

    • Why this moment feels like a once-in-a-generation shift in legal technology

    Learn More: Zach - legallydisrupted.com Dan - https://www.netdocuments.com/company/our-people/dan-hauck/

    Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Dan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/danhauck

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    34 mins
  • E33 - Building the AI-First Law Firm: Jen Berrent on Covenant and the Next Era of Legal Services
    Nov 13 2025

    Zach talks with Jen Berrent, former WeWork executive and founder of Covenant, an AI-first law firm reimagining how deals get done. They dive deep into what it means to build a law firm from the ground up around artificial intelligence — not as a tool, but as the foundation. Jen shares her perspective on why too much work still runs through Big Law, how AI is transforming the middle tier of legal work, and what it takes to balance human expertise with machine efficiency.

    In this episode:

    • What an “AI-first” law firm actually looks like

    • How Covenant is redesigning legal workflows from scratch

    • The problem with Big Law’s “too much work, too few alternatives” model

    • Why reading comprehension is AI’s legal superpower

    • Building client trust in the age of automation

    • How AI can accelerate deals — without sacrificing rigor

    • The difference between a “relationship ramp” and a “SaaS snowball”

    • The challenges (and advantages) of raising funding in legal AI

    • Lessons from Robin AI’s struggles — and why clarity of business model matters

    • Why this is a once-in-a-generation moment for lawyers who want to innovate

    Learn More: Zach – legallydisrupted.com Jen – https://covenant.co/about

    Follow Along: Zach – linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Jen – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferberrent

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    51 mins
  • E32 - Harvey Co-Founder Gabe Pereyra on Building the Fastest-Growing Legal AI Company in History
    Nov 4 2025
    Zach sits down with Harvey cofounder Gabe Pereyra to talk about what changed after “Attention Is All You Need,” why partners - not juniors - are driving Harvey’s adoption, and how AI is teaching law firms to learn faster than ever. In this episode:
    • The origin story of Harvey and how it became the “Dallas Cowboys of Legal Tech”

    • Lessons from the early days of AI at Google Brain and DeepMind

    • Why the real opportunity isn’t automation — it’s amplification

    • How top law firms are already using AI for high-level strategic work

    • The emerging hybrid model of AI + human legal reasoning

    • Why firm size and structure could shift dramatically in the next decade

    • Rethinking ROI: morale, retention, and client trust as key performance drivers

    • How Harvey is helping firms pitch, collaborate, and win new business

    • The future of AI-first law firms — from pricing models to client partnerships

    Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Gabe - https://www.harvey.ai/blog/author/gabe-pereyra Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Gabe - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabepereyra
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    45 mins
  • E31 - Zach and Richard's Excellent Legal AI Adventure: Robin AI's Struggles and the Future of LegalTech
    Oct 30 2025
    Zach and Richard delve into the recent challenges faced by Robin AI, a pioneering legal tech company that has laid off staff and is seeking a buyer due to disappointing growth. They explore the significance of this news within the broader AI and legal tech industry, discussing whether Robin AI's struggles signal larger issues in the AI market. In this episode:
    • Robin AI's Struggles
    • Personal Connections and Reflections
    • Speculations and Broader Implications
    • Comparing AI Legal Tech Companies
    • Legal Experts in Tech Companies
    • Investment in AI-Driven Legal Services
    • The Importance of Expertise with AI
    • Legal Innovators London Event Preview
    • The Future of AI in Law Firms
    Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Richard - tromansconsulting.com, artificiallawyer.com Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Richard - linkedin.com/in/artificiallawyer, https://x.com/ArtificialLawya
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    38 mins
  • E30 - Is AI Disrupting ALSPs? Axiom CSO Catherine Kemnitz
    Oct 16 2025
    In Episode 30 of 'Legally Disrupted,' Zach engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Catherine Kemnitz, Axiom's Chief Strategy Officer. They address a LinkedIn debate on how AI will disrupt both Contract Lifecycle Management (CLM) and Alternative Legal Service Providers (ALSPs). Katherine offers insights from her extensive legal industry experience, including her tenure at Axiom and Thomson Reuters, highlighting major transactions and strategic pivots influenced by technological advancements. In this episode:
    • Catherine Kemnitz's Career Journey
    • Axiom's Strategic Moves and Innovations
    • The Impact of AI on Legal Services
    • Generative AI and Legal Tech Evolution
    • AI Adoption in Legal Departments vs. Law Firms
    • Axiom's Approach to AI and Future Outlook
    Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Catherine - https://www.axiomlaw.com/about-us/our-team Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Catherine - https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinekemnitz
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    33 mins
  • E29 - Why Firms Are Buying Niche AI, Centari Founder Kevin Walker
    Oct 8 2025
    Zach sits down with Centari founder Kevin Walker to unpack the opportunities and obstacles of selling AI to law firms when it isn’t a generalized assistant like ChatGPT or Harvey. Kevin makes the case for why tackling highly specialized problems, such as Deal Intelligence, delivers unique, lasting value to firms. In this episode:
    • Understanding Centari's Vision
    • Unique Market Insights and Adoption
    • Challenges and Opportunities in Legal Tech
    • Building Trust with Law Firms
    • Future of Legal Practices
    • Fried Frank Partnership
    • Navigating Market Noise
    • First Principles and Differentiation
    • AI Adoption in Law Firms
    • Reddit Thread Controversy
    • Building a Strong Company Culture
    Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Kevin - https://www.centari.com/about-us Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Kevn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kpwalker1, https://x.com/_kevinwalker?lang=en
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    49 mins
  • E28 - Zach and Richard's Excellent Legal AI Adventure: Inside Eudia's Groundbreaking AI-First Law Firm
    Sep 14 2025
    Zach and Richard break down AI-first legal services, ALSPs, and the EUDIA announcement. Asking who really owns legal AI, whether ROI even matters, and how these new firms might rewrite the rules of the industry. In this episode:
    • Non-Lawyer Ownership of Law Firms
    • AI in Transactional Work
    • The Business Model of AI-First Law Firms
    • Measurable ROI in Legal Tech
    • The IKEA Catalog Scenario
    • AI-First Firms vs. Incumbents
    • Market Saturation and Future Predictions

    References:

    https://www.artificiallawyer.com/2025/09/03/eudia-opens-ai-augmented-law-firm-for-ma/

    Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Richard - tromansconsulting.com, artificiallawyer.com Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Richard - linkedin.com/in/artificiallawyer, https://x.com/ArtificialLawya
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    44 mins
  • E27 - Zach and Richard's Legal AI Adventure: Big Deals and AI Revolution
    Aug 19 2025
    In this episode of 'Legally Disrupted,' host Zach Abramowitz introduces a new recurring segment called 'Zach and Richard's Legal AI Adventure' with Richard Tromans from Artificial Lawyer. They discuss the rapid evolution in the legal tech sphere, particularly focusing on big deals and announcements from legal AI companies like Harvey and Legora. The duo debates the impact of generative AI productivity platforms on the legal market, the notion of a 'land grab' as firms race to adopt AI, and the potential for AI to become universally adopted in legal workflows. They also touch on the pricing dynamics of legal tech and the challenges faced by legacy companies in incorporating AI. In this episode:
    • Summer Surge in Legal AI Deals
    • Generative AI Platforms for Lawyers
    • Market Share and Productivity Tools
    • Global Legal Market and Pricing Strategies
    • Emerging Competitors and Market Dynamics
    • The Battle for Legal AI Dominance
    • The Future of Legal Tech Giants: Mergers and Acquisitions
    • The Role of Investors in Legal Tech
    • The Importance of Specialization in Legal Tech
    • The Future of AI in Legal Tech: Assistants vs. Automators
    Learn More: Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/ Richard - tromansconsulting.com, artificiallawyer.com Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz Richard - linkedin.com/in/artificiallawyer, https://x.com/ArtificialLawya
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    37 mins