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#181 Ian Smith & Leo Cormier

#181 Ian Smith & Leo Cormier

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The voice heard around the world.


What started as a stand for his community quickly turned him into a polarizing figure—seen as both a hero and a villain. But through the noise, he earned something more valuable: respect.


That respect led to a partnership with Leo of Recovery CBD.


This week, they join us to unpack their journey, the complexities of the peptide and CBD industries, and the message behind Ian’s new book Find Your Hill.

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