Jeff Huber, Founder & CEO of Chroma, joins Jay to discuss why context engineering remains the core job of AI engineers, and how modern search infrastructure is evolving for AI-native applications.

Jeff brings deep experience building Chroma into the leading AI application database, serving thousands of production AI agents with advanced search capabilities across code, dependencies, and unstructured data.

The conversation centers around the reality of context rot in long-context models, why RegX vs semantic search debates miss the point, and how memory systems need to move beyond simple retrieval to enable true agent learning.

Jeff explains why Chroma has indexed all major open source dependencies across NPM, PyPI, Cargo, and Go, enabling agents to search exact package versions instead of hallucinating APIs.

Tune into the full episode to learn why context engineering remains the bottleneck for AI reliability and how search infrastructure will evolve beyond simple vector similarity!

HIGHLIGHTS:
0:00 Intro
2:24 AI databases vs traditional databases
4:39 Context engineering as core AI developer job
6:21 Context rot research - million-token degradation
8:32 Long context performance vs marketing claims
12:15 Prior failures boost agent performance, successes hurt it
16:36 LLMs as query planners inside databases
19:15 Why coding became first dominant AI use case
21:06 RegX vs semantic search propaganda wars
24:21 Language servers on crack for code search
28:03 Multi-branch agent coordination
30:09 Code Collections - searching NPM/PyPI packages
31:21 Forkable collections enable 100ms Git indexing
34:09 Deep research agents are "incredibly mid"
38:17 Memory as context engineering vs weights
40:36 Agent task learning vs user personalization
43:18 Auditability problem with model-weight memory
47:21 Agents need apprenticeship models for reliability
49:54 Embarrassing lack of AI UX innovation

Connect with Jeff - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffchuber/

Connect with Jay - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayhack/ or https://x.com/mathemagic1an

Visit trychroma.com for AI application database infrastructure

Harrison Chase (Co-founder & CEO of LangChain) joins Jay to discuss the evolution from LangChain's Twitter origins to becoming the infrastructure backbone for thousands of production agents.

Harrison talks about how LangChain started on Twitter and quickly grew into a multi-product ecosystem including; LangChainLangSmithLangGraph, and LangGraph Platform.

The conversation revolves around deep agents, permission models, the issue with memory, and what the future holds for the coding space.

Harrison explains why competing directly with model providers on their specialized domains (like Anthropic's Claude Code) is nearly impossible, but argues the real opportunity lies in UX innovation and bringing these capabilities into existing workflows.

Tune into the full episode to learn why memory isn't the bottleneck yet and how the bitter lesson applies to agent architecture!

HIGHLIGHTS:
0:00 Intro
1:24 LangChain's evolution from Twitter prototype to production platform
3:23 Model capabilities progression from 2023 to today
4:05 Deep agents - planning, subagents, and file systems for long-term tasks
6:37 Why string replacement beats line-by-line editing for Claude
8:14 The impossible challenge of competing with Claude Code directly
11:28 UX differentiation and workflow integration as winning strategies
13:55 Unix commands and composability for non-coding agents
16:14 Sandboxing approaches - individual VMs vs shared environments
20:03 Agent runtime primitives - streaming, human-in-loop, time travel
22:55 Why CLI tools might beat MCP for agent interactions
25:13 Why base performance matters more than persistence
28:10 External vs model-weight memory systems for auditability
30:12 Product admiration - from cooking to Cursor's UX mastery

Connect with Harrison - https://www.linkedin.com/in/harrison-chase-961287118/
Connect with Jay - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayhack/ or https://x.com/mathemagic1an
Visit https://langchain.com/ for agent development tools

Louis Knight-Webb (Co-founder of Bloop) joins Jay to discuss Vibe Kanban, the orchestration platform for running multiple coding agents in parallel.

Louis brings experience from four years building developer tools, starting with enterprise code search, then COBOL modernization, and now agent orchestration as coding agents have become the new primitive.

The conversation revolves around how Vibe Kanban solves the bottleneck of running coding agents sequentially by enabling parallel execution with proper sandboxing, task management, and review workflows.

Louis explains how they've built 90% of Vibe Kanban using Vibe Kanban itself, creating the tightest feedback loop in tech history. The platform integrates Claude Code, Amp, Gemini CLI, and other agents with Git work trees for lightweight sandboxing, setup/cleanup scripts, and one-click dev servers.

Tune into the full episode to learn why the future of coding is about orchestrating AI workers rather than building vertical-specific solutions!

HIGHLIGHTS:
0:00 Intro
2:32 Code search to COBOL modernization to agent orchestration
5:01 Vibe Kanban demo - parallel coding agent execution
8:07 Git work trees for lightweight sandboxing vs Docker
10:25 Building Vibe Kanban with Vibe Kanban
12:47 Human as daddy agent delegating to coding agents
14:17 Why review and planning remain human-centric bottlenecks
16:14 Why DocuSign clones work but new ideas don't
18:40 Integrating GitHub, project management, and terminal
21:23 Enterprise vs startup coding workflows and convergence
25:19 Cloud version challenges and technical adjacent users
27:33 Task types that work well with coding agents vs manual work
30:37 The high watermark of current agent capabilities
33:32 YOLO mode vs proper code review for velocity vs quality
35:49 Agent logs and thought process documentation for better review

Connect with Louis -https://www.linkedin.com/in/knightwebb/
Connect with Jay - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayhack/ or https://x.com/mathemagic1an
Visit https://vibe-kanban.com/ for agent orchestration