As AI is integrated into learning experiences, where is human presence essential? In this episode of the AI for Educators Design Lab podcast, Jennifer Maddrell, PhD, considers the interactions that make learning possible, and makes the case that in an AI-integrated environment, learning is shaped not just by how students interact with technology, but by the people who design, guide, and participate in those interactions.
Drawing on decades of distance and online learning research, including the Community of Inquiry framework and concepts such as transactional distance, she notes that prior edtech research is often ignored in new AI debates. She shares findings from her doctoral research showing social, teaching, and cognitive presence correlate with student satisfaction and perceived learning, but not necessarily with achievement, underscoring that interaction quality matters more than mere connection.
Jennifer explores five (of many!) design considerations related to this topic, including:
- Where human presence most supports learning,
- How to allocate tasks between humans and AI,
- How to design teaching presence when AI handles instructional tasks,
- Who is most affected when human connection is reduced, and
- Whether AI introduces a distinct “presence” in learning.
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00:00 Welcome and Episode Setup
01:07 AI Hype and Real Use
02:44 We Have Been Here
05:05 Research Lessons on Interaction
08:02 Five Design Questions
08:22 Protect Human Moments
09:57 Backstage vs Frontstage
12:36 Teaching Presence by Design
15:38 Equity and Belonging Risks
17:59 AI as a New Presence
21:26 Wrap Up and Resources
22:55 Next Episode Ethics Preview