“I’m fortunate that I know so many people with disability who are incredibly successful with kids, and who are living great lives and making huge amounts of money. [They are] just doing what they want to do and continually building on their lives.”

In the second part of Angel’s chat with Johanna Garvin about the common attitude that people with disability have less to look forward to than others, the pair talk about the expectations of a person’s life trajectory and what it takes to achieve goals as a person with disability.

The pair delve into the perception that people with disability can’t achieve what society perceives as key milestones in life and why that is untrue.

They also toss around ideas for tackling the issue of quotas for the number of people with disability in film crews and cast and offer ways individuals with disability and allies can drive change and greater inclusion.

“Living with a disability isn't a tragedy, it's just another way of being and, you know, we are people too with emotions and big lives.” – Johanna Garvin

In episode 5, Attitude Foundation Board Member and filmmaker, Johanna Garvin joins Angel to talk about why 22% of survey respondents agreed that people with disability have less to look forward to than others and how wrong that notion is.

As somebody who has travelled to all seven continents studied abroad, and worked on films including Penguin Bloom, Johanna has had opportunities and achieved things many people only dream about.

While she’s grateful, Johanna talks with Angel about why it is difficult to reconcile her hard work and the opportunities she knows she’s been granted because of disability.

In their conversation, Johanna shares what she has achieved in her life and points out that people with disability can live lives of their choosing.

“Disability isn't about the fact that I can't walk. Disability is about the lack of choice I have in my life… and that's my passion in all reasonable efforts, why I became a political animal because I acknowledged that as a person with a disability, I didn't have access to rights.” Todd Winther

In this episode, Angel is joined by Todd Winther, a political scientist and self-confessed ‘political nerd’ interested in political leadership, party politics and disability policy. Todd chose to discuss the statistic: 63% of respondents agree that people with disability are easy to take advantage of or exploit.

The pair chatted just a few weeks after the Final Report on the Disability Royal Commission was released and discuss in detail some of the reasons why people with disability are exploited including the importance of knowing one’s rights and holding power.

From discussing the Disability Royal Commission and rights for people with disability through to quoting Hamilton the musical and covering how to advocate for yourself as a person with disability, this is a rollercoaster episode of stories and tips to empower people with and without disability alike.