Episodes

  • S2E10 "Gropos"

    S2E10 "Gropos"
    Jan 20 2026
    (00:00:00) Zocalo
    (00:40:25) Grey Council

    War comes to Babylon 5 this week as Jenny, Jenn, Ali, and Gus dive into Season 2, Episode 10, “Gropos.” What starts as a familiar ground-pounder story quickly turns into one of the show’s most devastating episodes.

    The crew breaks down how Gropos uses classic war tropes to lull the audience into a false sense of security, why the guest characters work so well so fast, and how JMS makes the cost of war feel painfully real. With three industry pros at the table, we dig into performance choices, structure, and why this episode hits harder than anyone expects.

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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • S2E9 "The Coming of Shadows"

    S2E9 "The Coming of Shadows"
    Jan 13 2026
    (00:00:00) Zocalo
    (00:54:00) Grey Council

    The Emperor is dying, the Shadows are moving, and Londo is making choices he can't take back – this week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Ali, and Gus dive into Babylon 5 Season 2, Episode 9, “The Coming of Shadows.”

    The crew breaks down the episode that beat Apollo 13 and Toy Story for a Hugo Award. We discuss the arrival of the "Jefflings" (Rangers) , the tragic timing of the Narn-Centauri conflict , and why this is widely considered the true beginning of the series. With three industry pros at the table, we analyze the "Dream Team" production of JMS and Janet Greek , Londo's heartbreaking dream sequence , and even fit in a legendary defense of fantasy from Terry Pratchett.






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    1 hr and 9 mins
  • S2E8 "A Race Through Dark Places"

    S2E8 "A Race Through Dark Places"
    Jan 6 2026
    (00:00:00) Zocalo
    (00:52:50) Grey Council

    Psi Corps is here, consent is optional, and suddenly everyone is VERY uncomfortable - this week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Ali, and Gus dive into Babylon 5 Season 2, Episode 8, “A Race Through Dark Places.”

    The crew breaks down Bester’s deeply unsettling debut, the moral horror of telepath control, and why this episode quietly reframes everything we thought we knew about EarthGov. With three industry pros at the table, we analyze how JMS uses sci-fi to interrogate power, fascism, and complicity, while Gus and Ali experience the full psychic damage of this storyline for the first time.

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    1 hr and 18 mins
  • S2E7 "Soul Mates"

    S2E7 "Soul Mates"
    Dec 30 2025
    (00:00:00) Zocalo
    (00:46:35) Grey Council

    Three wives, a creepy ex-husband, and perhaps the biggest foot-in-mouth moment in our podcast's history - this week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Ali, and Gus dig into Babylon 5 Season 2, Episode 7, “Soul Mates.”

    In this episode, the crew spirals after accidentally roasting writer Peter David before realizing his legendary status (and recent passing). We unpack the "Real Housewives of Centauri Prime" energy , why referring to people as "breeding stock" is an immediate Psi Corps red flag , and the wholesome delight of the Ivanova/Delenn hair salon scene. Jenn and Ali also analyze the difference between "omnipresent" showrunning and true collaboration.


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    1 hr
  • S2E6 "A Spider in the Web"

    S2E6 "A Spider in the Web"
    Dec 23 2025
    (00:00:00) Zocalo
    (00:45:53) Grey Council

    Psi Corps, brainwashing, and a conspiracy that absolutely does not feel resolved - this week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Ali, and Gus dig into Babylon 5 Season 2, Episode 6, “A Spider in the Web.” What starts as a slow-burn spy thriller quietly lays down some deeply unsettling foundations for the rest of the season.

    The crew unpacks Bureau 13, personality conditioning, and why this episode feels like it’s setting pins instead of knocking them down. Jenn talks TV structure and why 90s commercial-era storytelling hits differently, Gus spirals into mole-hunting paranoia, and everyone agrees that Talia White’s arc just took a dark turn. Also discussed: rising Season 2 production value, JMS gaining creative freedom, and the Ivanova-Talia subtext that the camera absolutely lingers on. No spoilers beyond this episode.

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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • S2x5 "The Long Dark"

    S2x5 "The Long Dark"
    Dec 16 2025
    (00:00:00) Zocalo
    (00:43:28) Grey Council

    This week on Babble On, Jenny, Gus, and Ali dig into Babylon 5 Season 2, Episode 5, “The Long Dark.” It’s the episode where space gets genuinely creepy, Dwight Schultz delivers an all-timer performance, and Dr. Franklin makes choices that immediately land him on everyone’s watchlist. The trio talks horror vibes, Shadow-adjacent lore, why this episode is weirdly load-bearing for the series, and how one excellent monologue is competing with some deeply uncomfortable 90s television decisions.

    Jenn joins Jenny later for the full-spoiler Grey Council discussion. Also: yes, Dr. Franklin is still canceled, and no, there is still no HR in space.

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    1 hr and 14 mins
  • S2E4 "A Distant Star"

    S2E4 "A Distant Star"
    Dec 9 2025
    This week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Ali, and Gus dive into Babylon 5 Season 2, Episode 4, “A Distant Star.” It’s the episode where hyperspace gets weird, Dr. Franklin becomes the self-appointed Food Police, and Sheridan questions whether he should be running a space station… or just running laps. The crew debates whether D.C. Fontana wrote the emotional arc and JMS sprinkled in the dad jokes, why the edit feels like a Frankenstein’s monster of walk-and-talks, and how the bonfire on the bridge happened despite JMS explicitly saying “no giant flames, please.”

    Also: the eternal truth that there is still no HR in space.

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    1 hr and 28 mins
  • S2E3 "Geometry of Shadows"

    S2E3 "Geometry of Shadows"
    Dec 2 2025
    (00:00:00) Zocalo
    (00:41:34) Grey Council

    Technomages, a ridiculous color-coded civil war, and the fashion statement of the century - this week on Babble On, Jenny, Jenn, Ali, and Gus discuss Babylon 5 Season 2, Episode 3, "The Geometry of Shadows." It’s supposed to be a "breather" episode , but between Londo’s looming genocide prophecy and Garibaldi’s dark night of the soul, the vibes are complicated.

    Jenn breaks down how a real-life broken foot changed Ivanova’s fight scenes , Gus launches an unauthorized infomercial for "Londo Hair" , and the crew tries to keep a straight face while discussing the works of Michael Moorcock. Also: Green vs. Purple chaos , Technomage lore , and why Vir is the bravest person on the station.



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    1 hr and 3 mins