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Before It Made Sense

Before It Made Sense

Written by: Paris Heart and Jaeson Williams
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Before It Made Sense is a podcast about the phase before everything clicks. Hosted by Paris Heart and Jaeson Williams, the show explores the real stories behind artists, creators, entrepreneurs, and visionaries building something from nothing. From music and fashion to business, identity, failure, and ambition, these conversations focus on the moments people usually never see — the uncertainty, sacrifice, pressure, and persistence before success becomes visible. Raw conversations. Real perspective. Before it made sense.Paris Heart and Jaeson Williams Social Sciences
Episodes
  • Merhan Keller | Before It Made Sense Ep. 3
    May 31 2026


    In this episode of Before It Made Sense, we sit down with Merhan Keller — model, activist, and founder of High Society Modeling and Creative Agency.


    Merhan talks about building a platform for emerging designers, the gatekeeping inside fashion, why raw talent is often overlooked, and what it really takes to create opportunities instead of waiting for permission.


    From runway modeling to producing shows across major fashion capitals, this conversation is about fashion, business, resilience, and building something bigger than yourself.

    Follow Merhan Keller:https://www.instagram.com/merhankeller/High Society:https://highsocietymodeling.com

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    Before It Made Sense Ep. 3
    Hosted by Paris Heart and Jaeson Williams

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    45 mins
  • Thomas “Teeba” Forbes | Before It Made Sense Ep. 2
    May 24 2026

    In Episode 2 of Before It Made Sense, we sit down with Thomas “Teeba” Forbes — a Grammy-nominated musician, producer, and bassist — for a real conversation about what it actually takes to build a life in music.Teeba talks about his journey through funk, hip-hop, R&B, jazz, and beyond, while opening up about the side of the industry people rarely see: major credits not always meaning financial stability, side hustles protecting the art, unpaid sessions, long drives, creative relationships, and learning how to trust yourself before the outside world fully understands what you’re building.We also talk about collaboration, failure, versatility, life experience, and why sometimes the simplest thing you play can make somebody feel the most.This episode is about the years of showing up, figuring it out, and staying connected to the work before it all makes sense.Follow Thomas “Teeba” Forbes:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teeba_forbesWebsite: https://teebamusic.com/Follow Before It Made Sense:Instagram: @BeforeItMadeSenseTikTok: @BeforeItMadeSenseYouTube: @BeforeItMadeSense#BeforeItMadeSense #TeebaForbes #MusicPodcast #CreativeJourney #MusicIndustry #ProducerLife #ArtistJourney #Podcast

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    43 mins
  • Lightcraft | Before It Made Sense Ep. 1
    May 17 2026

    Lightcraft joins Before It Made Sense to talk about building a band across two decades, performing internationally, staying grounded through growth, and the reality of chasing music before success becomes visible.

    The Indonesian pop band reflects on their journey from forming in college in 2006 to performing across North America, Europe, and Asia. The conversation explores hope, identity, persistence, touring, creative evolution, balancing music with real life, and what it takes to keep going when the path still doesn’t fully make sense.

    Hosted by Paris Heart and Jaeson Williams.

    Follow Lightcraft:
    Instagram: @lightcraftmusic

    Follow Before It Made Sense:
    Instagram: @beforeitmadesense

    New episodes and clips weekly.


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    31 mins
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