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Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners

Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners

Written by: Stephen Rodney
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The legal sector thrives on talent, but how do you ensure partner success, both generally and in relation to how new hires integrate and succeed? Hosted by Stephen Rodney, founder of IntoGreat Coaching, which provides tailor made integration programmes for laterals and, previously a veteran of partner legal recruitment. Beyond Billables is the essential podcast for law firm leaders and in house GCs. Stephen draws on both his recent coaching experience and his previous recruitment life as a co-founder of a leading recruitment boutique (including being responsible for one of the UK's largest-ever team moves), to look at the essential elements necessary to produce both successful partners and also other senior lawyers and to look at the critical challenge of effective senior lawyer integration. Join Stephen as he speaks with successful partners, other industry experts and legal innovators. Follow Beyond Billables to ensure you absorb the lessons told by the successful partners interviewed!Copyright 2026 Stephen Rodney Art Economics Education
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  • How General Counsels Can Build Resilient Legal Teams and Navigate Crises with Emma Slatter
    Mar 3 2026
    In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host Stephen Rodney sits down with Emma Slatter, Chief Officer - Legal, Regulatory and Compliance at Visa. Emma shares her journey from private practice at Slaughter and May to a 20 year career at Deutsche Bank, and then to Visa, where she joined just weeks before a major payments outage.Emma Slatter began her legal career at Slaughter and May before moving in-house to Morgan Grenfell, which was later absorbed into Deutsche Bank. Over two decades at Deutsche, she held a range of senior roles, including leading global markets legal in London during the financial crisis. After a brief sabbatical, she joined Visa, where she now oversees legal, regulatory and compliance functions in a fast evolving payments landscape.Expect to Learn:How to lead calmly and effectively through crisis, regulatory investigations, and intense public scrutiny.Why building and promoting a strong team is central to being a successful General Counsel.The importance of resilience, humility, and empowering junior talent in an AI driven future.How the relationship between GCs and law firms is changing, including the impact of AI and new billing models.Emma’s perspective on litigation funding, generational change, and the future of in-house legal leadership.Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:[00:00] – Teaser[01:05] – Welcome & Introduction to Beyond Billables with Emma Slatter[03:34] – Training at Slaughter and May: The Generalist Foundation[05:04] – 20 Years at Deutsche Bank: Navigating Growth, Crisis, and Leadership[10:34] – Joining Visa: From "Quiet and Dull" to an Outage in Three Weeks[14:37] – What Makes a Successful GC? Building Teams, Humility, and Empowering Juniors[20:46] – The Toughest Times: Investigations, Regulators, and Internal Scrutiny at Deutsche[27:53] – Law Firm Partners vs. GCs: Core Skills Are the Same[33:46] – Integration Journeys: Adapting to In-House Life and Visa's Collaborative Culture[44:31] – The Future: AI, Generational Change, and the Evolving Law Firm Model[48:38] – AI, Billing, and Open Conversations with Law Firms[53:44] – Regrets? None – From Financial Crisis to Carrying the Olympic Torch[56:04] – Closing RemarksConnect with Emma Slatter:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-slatter-b6694715/Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/visa/Company’s Website: https://www.visa.com/en-us/businessConnect with Stephen Rodney:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/Company’s Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/Company’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:Website: https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/Listening Links: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&nd=1&dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l
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    57 mins
  • The Nonlinear Career Journey for Female Lawyers to Make Partner on Their Own Terms with Vicki Wick
    Feb 24 2026

    In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host Stephen Rodney speaks with Vicky Wickremeratne, senior employment partner at Simmons & Simmons. The conversation explores what it really takes to build a successful legal career across private practice and in-house roles. Vicky shares her non linear career journey, the skills that matter most for partners, and how relationship building, adaptability, and self awareness shape long term success in the law.

    Vicky Wick built a broad career across private practice and senior in-house roles, including working in London and Hong Kong. Her experience spans major law firms and global financial institutions, giving her a deep understanding of leadership, client relationships, and career development within the legal profession.

    Expect to Learn
    1. Why relationship building is central to success as a law firm partner
    2. The key differences between in-house and private practice legal work
    3. How lateral partners can integrate successfully into new firms
    4. The impact of working parenthood on career decisions and progression
    5. Why feedback, mentorship, and self awareness matter in leadership roles


    Episode Breakdown with Timestamps
    1. [00:00] – Teaser
    2. [00:59] – Welcome & Introduction to Beyond Billables with Vicky Wickremeratne
    3. [04:27] – Core Skills of a Successful Partner: Relationships and Communication
    4. [07:25] – Connecting with People: Lessons from Bartending and Waitressing
    5. [10:06] – In-House vs. Private Practice: Delivering Pithy, Commercial Advice
    6. [13:00] – The Fascination of Employment Law: People and Strategy
    7. [18:40] – Moving Jobs While Pregnant or on Maternity Leave
    8. [20:58] – Non-Linear Careers and the Value of Lateral Moves
    9. [25:30] – Integration Plans and the Importance of Early Stakeholder Meetings
    10. [28:18] – Mentors and Role Models: Karen Ish, Goldman Sachs Leaders, and Feedback Culture
    11. [32:43] – The Surprise of Partnership: Leadership Shadow and Shifting Tents
    12. [38:12] – Hybrid Working: Balancing Flexibility with the Apprenticeship Model
    13. [40:28] – Networking as Friendship: Staying in Touch Through Life and Bruce Springsteen
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    44 mins
  • Law Firm Metrics for Partners to Lead Profitably and Build Stronger Teams with Jeanette Burgess
    Feb 17 2026

    In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host Stephen Rodney sits down with Jeanette Burgess, Managing Partner at Walker Morris, one of the UK’s leading independent law firms. Jeanette shares her career journey from aspiring police officer to leading a top firm, offering candid insights into her time in-house, her return to private practice, and her transition into law firm leadership. She discusses the real challenges of partnership, the impact of AI on the legal sector, and the importance of resilience, curiosity, and communication in sustaining a legal career.

    Jeanette Burgess has nearly three decades of legal experience. She began in private practice before spending time in-house at Provident Group, and later built Walker Morris’s regulatory team from the ground up. Elected to the board in 2015 and appointed Managing Partner in 2024, she brings deep insight into leadership, regulatory law, and evolving law firm dynamics.


    Expect to Learn:

    1. How Jeanette’s in-house experience shaped her success in private practice and firm leadership
    2. The overlooked skills needed for successful law firm partnership beyond legal expertise
    3. What makes lateral hires succeed or fail and how culture plays a bigger role than you might think
    4. Why AI is both a challenge and an opportunity for the legal profession
    5. Jeanette’s top lessons from managing partner life, including resilience, client service, and staying curious


    Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:

    1. [00:00] – Teaser
    2. [00:47] – Introduction to the Podcast and Guest Jeanette Burgess
    3. [01:39] – Jeanette’s Early Career: From Police Aspirations to Law
    4. [03:49] – Moving In-House and Return to Private Practice at Walker Morris
    5. [08:14] – Walker Morris’s “Forge” Programme for Future Partners
    6. [11:46] – In-House vs. Private Practice: Different Skills and Environments
    7. [14:09] – The Challenges and Loneliness of Being an In-House Lawyer
    8. [20:52] – Decision-Making, Patience, and the Value of Sleep
    9. [24:16] – Lateral Hiring: Why Some Succeed and Others Fail
    10. [27:25] – Integrating Laterals and Learning from Their Experience
    11. [30:11] – The Critical Early Months for Lateral Integration
    12. [35:40] – The Impact of AI on Learning, Work, and Firm Structure
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    55 mins
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