If you’ve ever thought, “You know what this podcast needs?” More accounting.” Congratulations, this episode is your Siberian Gulag. (Don’t you really wish it was more cowbell!)

Rona does her very best to make this a fun episode. Still, everyone suffers just a little.

This is the perfect podcast episode if you’ve ever said, “I should understand finance…” and then immediately open Hulu instead.

On this thrilling installment of Biz-Souls, Rona Lewis bravely admits accounting is not her thing, while Jeffrey Handler enthusiastically proves… it is absolutely his thing.

Together, they tackle:

• The five drawers of accounting (no, not underwear… unfortunately).

• Why QuickBooks makes entrepreneurs question their life choices?

• The difference between accounting and finance. Spoiler alert: one records your pain, the other analyzes it!

• And the magical world of ROI, where everyone pretends they know what they’re talking about.

You’ll also learn:

• Why might accountants secretly enjoy confusing you?

• How “assets = liabilities + equity” became a personality test.

• And how to get 100% ROI by doing absolutely nothing (finally, a strategy we can all commit to).

Meanwhile, Rona’s eyes glaze over in real time, Jeffrey builds a metaphor about a filing cabinet that somehow becomes the entire financial system, and you’ll walk away knowing just enough to be dangerous at dinner parties and in boardrooms.

Or at least enough to say “GAAP” confidently and hope no one asks follow-ups.

This episode proves one thing: Accounting isn’t hard… it’s just loved by people who enjoy watching others suffer.

So, share the pain, and follow and subscribe for a regular dose of pain only tickling usually generates. And sent Jeffrey a note if you’d like to see him develop more programs for your educational needs.

Here are other Biz-Souls episodes … ones without numbers:

Episode: Grace Under Fire (our 2nd most popular episode to date)

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BizSoulsPodcast

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5QZkzexampleBizSouls

Episode: How To Retrain Your Brain

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BizSoulsPodcast

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5QZkzexampleBizSouls

Episode: Play Games for Better Business!

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BizSoulsPodcast

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5QZkzexampleBizSouls

This is the perfect podcast for anyone who’s ever tried to have a rational discussion and had it turned into a verbal explosion.

In this episode of Biz-Souls, Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler dive headfirst into moral framing that confounding when a simple conversation turns into good versus evil, us versus them, and “you’re wrong and I’m morally superior.” Critical thinking disappears in a single breath.

From storytelling wisdom inspired by Annette Simmons to timeless insights from Aristotle – you know, the guy from all ancient Greece, and a more recent oldie, Don Miguel Ruiz.

Meanwhile, social media (cough Mark Zuckerberg) might be pouring gasoline on the fire - because nothing says “healthy discourse” like algorithms designed to keep you outrage-scrolling at 2 a.m.

But don’t worry, this isn’t just a rant-fest, Rona and Jeffrey supply real tools too:

• Keep your cool when conversations heat up

• Ask smarter questions instead of launching verbal grenades

• Reframe arguments without losing your mind

• And, brace yourself, how to listen better

If you’ve ever wanted to win an argument without destroying a relationship or at least understand why Uncle Bob went off the rails at Thanksgiving, this episode is your playbook.

Or maybe you just want to listen to discover how our Biz-Souls duo manages to stay funny on such a serious subject.

Listen now. Think better. Argue smarter. And maybe… just maybe… don’t grab the serrated bread knife.

Then follow, subscribe, and share for even more fun in the future.

#BizSouls #MoralFraming #Leadership #CommunicationSkills #CriticalThinking #Storytelling

Other Biz-Souls Episodes:

Episode 169: Positive, Normative, and Positively Normative Thinking (VERY CLOSE to moral framing)

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5O9pVnMLtrVRHfSrkE3dZn

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Episode 125: How to Retrain Your Brain

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Sl8zVZB6Jx5DMHg8lN9aH

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA4P9HvbKVI

Episode 137: Just Say No! Maybe…

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5O9pVnMLtrVRHfSrkE3dZn

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ffpbkA2n8

Episode 164: Managers Not Okay and Melting in the Middle

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4SrTBRzWZ9MbhycJw5Nkwv

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl6sKzNUWTo

Episode 173: Play and Profit (Story + perception framing)

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Episode 167: From Ikigai to AI (meaning-making + narrative framing)

• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQNREqXwV8k

This is the perfect podcast to follow Episode 215: Grace Under Fire… because apparently, grace only gets you so far when you can’t agree on the definition of basic words.

Welcome to Biz-Souls Episode 216, where Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler do what all great business leaders do…debate, disagree, double down—and then invite you to decide who’s right (with pizza on the line, no less).

This episode has everything:

A philosophical showdown over empathy versus sympathy (spoiler: no one leaves unscathed), and real-world leadership dilemmas that prove business decisions aren’t just spreadsheets, they’re human.

Jeffrey brings the “I’ve trained leaders on this for years” energy while Rona brings the “I will absolutely challenge that” energy. Together, they bring… confusion, conviction, and comedy.

Along the way, things escalate from: “Let’s define empathy…” to “You have it backwards...” to “We probably should’ve looked this up first...” to “Jane, you ignorant…” (Yes, it goes there.

Thankfully, no turtles were harmed in the making of this episode… although several were mentioned.

And beneath the laughs is a seriously relevant conversation:

• How do leaders make tough calls without becoming cold and robotic?

• Where’s the line between caring and carrying too much?

• And is it possible to lead with heart without losing your head?

If Episode 215 was about keeping your cool under pressure, Episode 216 is about what happens when the pressure turns into a full-blown semantic sparring match.

So… who’s right? Team Rona or team Jeffrey?

Or are you just here for the occasional cats and the chaos?

Tune in, weigh in, and maybe, just maybe, learn something about leadership, language, and why you should always Google definitions before you hit record.

Biz-Souls: where business gets real… and occasionally ridiculous.