A walk-and-talk on fitness, burnout, identity, and why discipline doesn’t work for everyone. Dan and Kim explore motivation, representation in movement, ADHD-friendly structure, and how redefining “training” can unlock joy, creativity, and sustainability in both work and life. walk in the park louder

In this episode of Where Are We Heading?, which was filmed at the end of 2025; Dan and Kim head out for a slow walk - sore legs, tired bodies, and full minds - to talk honestly about motivation, burnout, and what it really means to look after yourself as a creative person.

They unpack why traditional ideas of discipline often fail ADHD brains, how reframing structure as training or fun can change everything, and why representation in fitness and movement matters more than we realise. Kim shares a powerful reflection on seeing her body reflected in the people she trains with - and how that unlocked motivation she didn’t know she was missing.

The conversation moves through grief, work, energy, money, and value - including Dan’s evolving approach to artist management, mentoring, coaching, and sustainable creative careers after burnout. There’s no fixed roadmap here - just two friends thinking out loud, finding their footing, and reminding each other (and you) that it’s okay to go slow.

This one’s for anyone trying to build a creative life that doesn’t cost them their body or their wellbeing. walk in the park louder

Key Themes & Takeaways

• Reframing discipline: why “training” or “fun-structure” works better than punishment

• ADHD & motivation: why timing, energy, and enjoyment matter more than willpower

• Representation in movement: seeing bodies like yours changes everything

• Burnout recovery isn’t linear: and sometimes takes a year, not a month

• Fitness as regulation: movement as meditation, not productivity

• Creative sustainability: valuing your time, energy, and experience properly

• Hybrid working models: mentoring, coaching, consultancy as a flexible alternative to traditional management

• Choosing your hard: creative work is hard - but not doing it is hard too

  
  

Links

Dan Garber Management offerings - ⁠https://www.taperec.com/consultancy⁠

Lily Silverton Prioritise This - https://geni.us/PrioritiseThis

Bottega Caruso - https://www.bottegacaruso.com/

LULLABY charity single- ⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/T4Plive⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/t4plive⁠⁠

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