In this conversation with hosts Doreen Lorenzo and Michael Baker, Baratunde Thurston, creator of the Life with Machines podcast and host of PBS's America Outdoors, explains why creativity is the antidote to AI's "planet of averageness" and why the real danger isn't that robots will take over—it's that people will become robots through the industrialization of creative thought.

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Baratunde's Website: https://www.baratunde.com/
Baratunde on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/baratunde/
Baratunde on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/baratunde
Baratunde on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/baratunde
Baratunde on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@baratunde
Baratune's Newsletter: https://newsletter.baratunde.com/

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When Marion Leary had her breakthrough moment at the Philadelphia Science Festival, staring at a virtual reality booth, she realized something that would reshape her entire career: the creative tools from design and technology could revolutionize how we teach people to save lives. In this conversation with hosts Doreen Lorenzo and Michael Baker, Marion, Director of Innovation at Penn Nursing, explains that what nurses call "workarounds" are actually a creative thinking in disguise, and why bringing human-centered design into nursing education is transforming healthcare from the inside out.

More about Marion:
Marion on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marionleary/
Marion's Website: https://marionleary.mystrikingly.com/
Marion on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Leary

Episode website: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/episodes/marion-leary
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How can a board game teach the fundamentals of design and creativity? Gray Garmon, founding director of UT Austin's Center for Integrated Design joins us to explore how creativity becomes a powerful tool for solving everyday problems, and how his collaborative approach is democratizing design education.

More about Gray:
Gray on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/graygarmon/
TWOxTWO Studio: https://www.twoxtwo.co/

Dream Up Game: https://www.dreamupgame.com/

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In this episode, we meet Skye Hilton, founder and owner of New Obsession, and Troy Whittington, Creative Recovery Facilitator, who are pioneering the use of creativity as a pathway to recovery from substance use disorder. Both are artists in recovery who discovered that creativity could serve as both map and compass for navigating the uncharted territories of sobriety.

More about Sky:
Skye on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/skye-hilton-6240a6bb/

More about Troy:
Troy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/troy-whittington-36847b14/

New Obsession: https://www.newobsessionatx.com/

Episode website: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/episodes/skye-troy-creative-reovery
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In this episode, Doreen Lorenzo and Michael Baker speak with comedian, writer,
musician and playwright Luna Malbroux, founder of Joy Channel, and AJ Haynes,
Creative Doula for Joy Channel and lead singer of the internationally acclaimed band,
Seratones. Both are multidisciplinary artists and activists who use creativity to help
organizations transform their cultures through play, connection, storytelling, and
possibility.

They share how their Southern Louisiana roots shaped their understanding of
storytelling as a tool for connection and transformation, why they believe play is
essential for organizational change, and how they define joy not as surface-level
happiness but as accessing our full humanity. They also discuss the challenges of doing
equity work in an increasingly hostile environment and how they're adapting their
approach while staying true to their mission of building cultures where everyone can
thrive.

More about Luna:
Luna on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luna-malbroux-03062110/
Luna's website: https://www.lunaisamerica.com/

More about A.J.:
A.J. on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/a-j-haynes/
A.J. on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/a.j.haynes/
A.J. and The Seratones: https://www.seratones.com/bio

Joy Channel: https://www.joychannel.org/

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In this episode, we speak with Paul Propster, a strategic storyteller best known for his transformative work as Chief Story Architect at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). Paul has helped teams across science, technology, and innovation bring clarity, emotion, and purpose to their work. He shares how narrative thinking, when done right, can turn complex ideas into powerful, human-centered stories that win support, inspire action, and drive change.

More about Paul:
Paul on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-propster/

Episode website: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/episodes/paul-propster
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Ultramarathon runner Ed Shelton talks with Doreen Lorenzo and Michael Baker about running over 200-mile races without a support crew, embracing discomfort, and using creativity as a survival skill. A business analyst by day and ultra-endurance athlete by passion, Ed shares how his early love of patterns, comfort with solitude, and commitment fuel his ability to adapt under extreme conditions. From hallucinations to hypothermia to blindness, Ed breaks down how staying calm, solving problems with what's available, and trusting yourself can carry you through the toughest challenges—on the trail and in life.

More about Ed Shelton:
Ed on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edshelton/
Ed's blog: https://fox-runner.com/
Ed's running stats: https://ultrasignup.com/m_results_participant.aspx?fname=Ed&lname=Shelton

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Fri Forjindam talks with hosts Doreen Lorenzo and Michael Baker about her journey from Cameroon to becoming a global voice in experience design and her philosophy that creativity is both a civic responsibility and an economic driver. Her story exemplifies the power of living with curiosity and developing creative courage.

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Fri's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/friforjindam/
Mycotoo: https://mycotoo.com/

Episode website: https://www.cjfpodcast.com/episodes/fri-forjindam

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