In this episode of Challenging Neurodivergence, we go where most conversations about neurodiversity and inclusion refuse to.

Host Terri Donohue opens up a powerful dialogue inspired by Nathalie Martinek’s article, “Dark Neurodivergence or Cluster B Traits?”, and invites listeners to examine what happens when neurodivergent identities are used to deflect accountability.

We explore:

• What Nathalie calls “dark neurodivergence”

• How some are using the neurodivergent labels as moral shields in coaching, leadership, and workplace settings

• What coaches and inclusive leaders need to know about DARVO, toxic empathy, and when to challenge vs. accommodate

• How this relates to the ICF Core Competencies of Facilitating Growth

This isn’t another neurodiversity 101. It’s a grounded, truth-telling session for leaders and practitioners ready to lean into complexity, discernment, and ethically grounded inclusion.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathalie-martinek/

Her article:

Dark neurodivergence or Cluster B traits?

Connect with Terri:

https://terridonohue.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/terridonohuecoaching/

https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=37544869&appointmentType=85793642

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Bio:

Terri Donohue is a passionate and ICF/PCC-certified Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility (DEIA) coach specializing in Neurodiversity Life and Leadership. With 23 years of experience in the entertainment industry, where she earned an Emmy nomination, Terri brings a unique blend of creative expertise and a deep commitment to empowering others. She works with and prefers to align herself with ours, which values honesty, personal development, fairness, and connection.

Resource's:

** Dr. Rami **:

Holding Narcissists ACCOUNTABLE: The DARVO method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPGrxHEcnp8

**How to ADHD by Jessica McCabe** A comprehensive, shame-free guide with practical strategies grounded in neurodivergent experience. — Jessica McCabe, creator of How to ADHD on YouTube

https://riverbookshop.com/products/9780593578940?variant=44659941638399

** Title:The Autistic Survival Guide to Therapy ** Author: Steph Jones (late-diagnosed autistic therapist) www2.internationalinsurance.org+15Jessica Kingsley Publishers - USA+15Barnes & Noble+15 Publisher: Jessica Kingsley Publishers, Feb 21 2024; 256 pages Google Books Formats: Trade Paperback (US $19.95), e‑Book, Audiobook (narrated by Collette Byrne)

🎧 Tune in if you’re ready to question what’s being framed as inclusion — and start building spaces that are not just safe, but honest.