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Cogent Conversations

Cogent Conversations

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Straight Talk on IT Mergers & Acquisitions

Welcome to Cogent Conversations, hosted by Rick Murphy, CEO and founder of Cogent Growth Partners. In this series, we cut through the noise to deliver no-fluff, no-BS insights into the world of IT M&A.

Whether you are looking to scale your firm or prepare for an exit, we explore what actually works, what doesn't, and the specific steps required to build a business that buyers truly want. Join us for clarity, expert strategy, and a little bit of fun along the way.


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Episodes
  • #13 Cogent Conversations: 📈 Why Most MSPs Leave Money on the Table
    Jun 24 2026

    💼 What separates a business that sells from one that gets overlooked?

    In this episode of Cogent Conversations, we break down the realities of IT mergers and acquisitions—what actually drives valuation, what buyers look for, and where most MSPs get it wrong.

    Rick Murphy shares direct insights from closing over 200 IT deals, challenging common assumptions around “exit strategy” and replacing it with a more practical concept: liquidity strategy. If you think you’ll “figure it out later,” this conversation will force a rethink.

    ⚠️ Many MSPs rely on referrals, skip contracts, and assume loyalty equals value. In reality, that introduces risk—and risk reduces purchase price.

    This episode focuses on building a company that is operationally sound, transferable, and attractive to buyers—even if you’re not planning to sell today.

    🔑 Top 3 Highlights

    ✔️ Run your business like you’re selling tomorrow

    ✔️ No contracts = higher risk = lower valuation

    ✔️ “Exit strategy” is the wrong mindset—think liquidity

    📊 Whether you're growing, acquiring, or considering a future sale, this episode provides a clear lens into how buyers evaluate your business.

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    🔷 About Cogent Conversations

    Cogent Conversations is a straight-talk podcast focused on IT mergers and acquisitions for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and technology services firms.

    Hosted by Rick Murphy, CEO of Cogent Growth Partners, the show dives deep into the realities of MSP growth, valuation, acquisition strategy, leadership transitions, and exit planning. 💼📈

    This is not theory. It’s practical, real-world insight from years of buy-side and sell-side experience in the IT services space.

    Whether you're:

    ✔️ Scaling your MSP

    ✔️ Preparing for a future exit

    ✔️ Exploring mergers or acquisitions

    ✔️ Looking to increase EBITDA and enterprise value

    Cogent Conversations delivers clarity on what buyers actually look for — and how to run your business today so you’re ready tomorrow.

    If you’re serious about growth, valuation, and long-term strategy in the MSP industry, this podcast belongs in your regular rotation.

    🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfQZUgOM_11e6AHcS-dlqYg

    🌐 Web: https://cogentmergers.com/

    🔗 Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cogent-growth-partners-llc/

    👤 Rick Murphy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramurph/

    #CogentConversations #MSP #MSPMergers #SellYourMSP #ITMergers #ITAcquisition #ManagedServiceProvider #MSPValuation #EBITDA #ExitStrategy #BusinessGrowth #TechEntrepreneur #PrivateEquity #ChannelPartners #ITLeadership #MSPGrowth #SuccessionPlanning #TechMergers #JoeyPinz

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    19 mins
  • #12 Cogent Conversations: 🔥 What Actually Makes Clients Stay
    Jun 10 2026

    🧲 What actually makes a client stay—and what makes them leave?

    In this episode of Cogent Conversations, Rick Murphy breaks down the truth about client stickiness in MSP and IT services businesses. While many providers focus on tools, automation, and integrations, the real driver of retention is much simpler—and often overlooked.

    ⚠️ It’s not your tools. It’s your relationships.

    Rick explains why adding more services doesn’t guarantee retention, how over-reliance on technology can weaken connection, and why the human element still dominates—even in an AI-driven world. Clients don’t stay because of features—they stay because of trust, familiarity, and consistent engagement.

    This episode also explores how to identify your best-fit clients, double down on what you do well, and create deeper alignment that makes your services harder to replace.

    If you want stronger client retention, higher lifetime value, and a more resilient MSP business, this conversation delivers a clear and practical shift in thinking.

    🔥 Top 3 Highlights:

    ✅ Why tools and automation don’t create real stickiness

    ✅ The role of human relationships in long-term retention

    ✅ How to find and replicate your best clients for growth

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    🔷 About Cogent Conversations

    Cogent Conversations is a straight-talk podcast focused on IT mergers and acquisitions for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and technology services firms.

    Hosted by Rick Murphy, CEO of Cogent Growth Partners, the show dives deep into the realities of MSP growth, valuation, acquisition strategy, leadership transitions, and exit planning. 💼📈

    This is not theory. It’s practical, real-world insight from years of buy-side and sell-side experience in the IT services space.

    Whether you're:

    ✔️ Scaling your MSP

    ✔️ Preparing for a future exit

    ✔️ Exploring mergers or acquisitions

    ✔️ Looking to increase EBITDA and enterprise value

    Cogent Conversations delivers clarity on what buyers actually look for — and how to run your business today so you’re ready tomorrow.

    If you’re serious about growth, valuation, and long-term strategy in the MSP industry, this podcast belongs in your regular rotation.

    🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfQZUgOM_11e6AHcS-dlqYg

    🌐 Web: https://cogentmergers.com/

    🔗 Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cogent-growth-partners-llc/

    👤 Rick Murphy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramurph/

    #CogentConversations #MSP #MSPMergers #SellYourMSP #ITMergers #ITAcquisition #ManagedServiceProvider #MSPValuation #EBITDA #ExitStrategy #BusinessGrowth #TechEntrepreneur #PrivateEquity #ChannelPartners #ITLeadership #MSPGrowth #SuccessionPlanning #TechMergers #JoeyPinz

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    16 mins
  • #11 Cogent Conversations: 🚨 Lose One Person, Lose the Client
    May 20 2026

    🔗 What if your biggest client risk isn’t service… it’s who you know?

    In this episode of Cogent Conversations, Rick Murphy dives into a critical but overlooked issue in MSP and IT services businesses: single-threaded relationships. Many MSPs rely on one key contact—one “Bob”—to maintain an entire client relationship.

    ⚠️ And when that person leaves… everything changes.

    Rick explains how leadership turnover, internal restructuring, or even one key employee departure can instantly weaken—or completely break—a client relationship. The real danger isn’t churn—it’s dependency.

    This episode explores how successful MSPs build multi-threaded relationships, why redundancy applies to people (not just systems), and how to reduce risk by expanding influence across an organization.

    If you want stronger client retention, better valuation, and a more resilient business, this conversation will shift how you think about relationships.

    🔥 Top 3 Highlights:

    ✅ Why relying on one contact puts your revenue at risk

    ✅ How leadership changes instantly reset client relationships

    ✅ The strategy to build deeper, more secure client connections

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    🔷 About Cogent Conversations

    Cogent Conversations is a straight-talk podcast focused on IT mergers and acquisitions for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and technology services firms.

    Hosted by Rick Murphy, CEO of Cogent Growth Partners, the show dives deep into the realities of MSP growth, valuation, acquisition strategy, leadership transitions, and exit planning. 💼📈

    This is not theory. It’s practical, real-world insight from years of buy-side and sell-side experience in the IT services space.

    Whether you're:

    ✔️ Scaling your MSP

    ✔️ Preparing for a future exit

    ✔️ Exploring mergers or acquisitions

    ✔️ Looking to increase EBITDA and enterprise value

    Cogent Conversations delivers clarity on what buyers actually look for — and how to run your business today so you’re ready tomorrow.

    If you’re serious about growth, valuation, and long-term strategy in the MSP industry, this podcast belongs in your regular rotation.

    🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfQZUgOM_11e6AHcS-dlqYg

    🌐 Web: https://cogentmergers.com/

    🔗 Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cogent-growth-partners-llc/

    👤 Rick Murphy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramurph/

    #CogentConversations #MSP #MSPMergers #SellYourMSP #ITMergers #ITAcquisition #ManagedServiceProvider #MSPValuation #EBITDA #ExitStrategy #BusinessGrowth #TechEntrepreneur #PrivateEquity #ChannelPartners #ITLeadership #MSPGrowth #SuccessionPlanning #TechMergers #JoeyPinz

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    11 mins
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