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Deep Transformation

Deep Transformation

Written by: Roger Walsh and John Dupuy
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 Deep Transformation offers dialogues with cutting-edge thinkers, artists, contemplatives, and activists who combine big-picture, integrative perspectives with profound, contemplative depths. With these remarkable people, we explore the great questions of our time, such as how best to live, and how best to heal, learn, create, and contribute in our era of unprecedented challenges and opportunities. Visit our website at https://deeptransformation.io/ to learn more.Copyright 2026 Roger Walsh and John Dupuy Philosophy Self-Help Social Sciences Spirituality Success
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  • Zen for a World on Fire: How Zen Helps Us to Wake Up, Grow Up & Rise to the Challenges of Our Time

    Zen for a World on Fire: How Zen Helps Us to Wake Up, Grow Up & Rise to the Challenges of Our Time
    Apr 30 2026
    Ep. 232 | In this potent and profound conversation, Zen teachers, Integral Facilitators, and conflict mediators, Diane Musho Hamilton and her student and co-author Gabriel Wilson, eloquently reveal the practical benefits of a life founded on contemplative practice. What they bring home so effectively—both in this conversation and in their new book, Waking Up and Growing Up—is how much we have to gain from an interface of traditional Zen and contemporary knowledge. “Buddhist practice is the most genius way to work with human suffering,” Diane says, and grounded in awareness of the fundamental oneness is where we want to be when engaging in social or political activism, or when facing any kind of conflict. “It’s the evolution of consciousness and the attendant set of skills to support that,” she continues. We can awaken to an awareness of our true nature, and then take up the gauntlet of growing up—“straight up maturation, straight-up ego development.”In fact, what Gabe calls Diane’s “experiment” is nothing less than evolving the 2,500-year-old tradition of Zen, preserving and innovating, holding on to the wisdom, power, and grace of the tradition while bringing in the contributions of the West: psychology, shadow work, neuroscience, emotional development, and stage-appropriate interpersonal skills. Also, how to make sense of power dynamics, work with authority, and allow being pushed out of our comfort zone. A testament to Diane and Gabe’s own inner work, this groundbreaking conversation is inspiring and impactful, punctuated with deep, personal, experiential wisdom from both guests that speaks directly to how we can best wake up, grow up, and show up in this challenging world of ours. Recorded July 24, 2025.“There’s nothing like sitting with what is to prepare you to be with what is.”Topics & Time StampsIntroducing Zen teachers, authors, and Integral Facilitators, Diane Musho Hamilton & Gabriel Wilson (00:44)What drew Gabe to Zen, and what lack did he feel Waking Up and Growing Up would fill? (01:35)Evolving the Zen tradition: what do we need, particularly in western Buddhism, that we’re not finding? (05:26)Using Ken Wilber’s framework of waking up and growing up (08:50)What does “waking up” really mean? (10:02)Practice IS enlightenment: the awakened mind is only found in the here and now (12:23)There’s nothing like sitting with what is to prepare you to be with what will come (17:30)The realization that there’s no big opening to be had (23:05)What does “growing up” mean? (24:07)Providing students with interpersonal skills to accommodate their evolving levels of development (27:00)Writing for the younger generations: how to make sense of power dynamics, work with authority & allow being pushed out of your comfort zone (31:15)The wisdom of learning from those who have gone before us (34:49)Growing the capacity to deal with intensity in the moment (38:59)The example of John Lewis: being inclusive of the ego but not limited by it (44:29)How do we respond to what’s happening without imagining it shouldn’t be happening? (49:15) Holding the vision that we are fundamentally one when we engage in social activism (51:18)Be wary of using aggression in the name of love (54:11)Within the container of conventional religious traditions, developmental tasks are different for each stage (59:40)The teacher/student relationship cuts both ways (01:07:21)Preserving and evolving the Zen tradition for today’s world (01:08:55) Buddhist practice is the most genius way to work with human suffering (01:13:40)Looking to the future: are we innovating too much? (01:16:24)A lot of technology is racing us to the bottom of our brainstem; where we put our attention is important (01:20:32)Resources & ReferencesDiane Musho Hamilton, co-founder of Two Arrows Zen CenterGabriel Wilson, founder of Freedom & FairnessDiane Hamilton & Gabriel Wilson, Waking Up and Growing Up: Spiritual Cross-Training for an Evolving WorldDiane Hamilton, The Zen of You and Me: A Guide to Getting Along with Just About EveryoneDiane Hamilton, Gabriel Wilson & Kimberly Loh, Compassionate Conversations: How to Speak and Listen from the HeartKen Wilber, Welcome to the Integral Approach (Integral Life website)Ken Wilber, Finding Radical Wholeness (where Ken expounds his “waking up, growing up, cleaning up, showing up” modelDeep Transformation’s A. H. Almaas Wisdom SeriesDōgen Zenji, “Practice is enlightenment” (from the Fukan zazengi)Joanna Macy (1929-2025), environmental activist, author, and scholar of Buddhism, general systems theory & deep ecologySam Harris, philosopher, neuroscientist, author & podcast hostJohn Lewis interview with On Being’s Krista Tippett: Love in Action What is Buddha? Zen koan (case 21) in The Gateless Gate: Classic Book of Zen KoansThe Hidden Lamp: Stories from Twenty-Five Centuries of Awakened Women, edited by Zenshin Florence Caplow, Reigetsu Susan MoonTristan Harris, ...
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    1 hr and 24 mins
  • At Our Essence, We Are Love: Becoming Intimate with Everything

    At Our Essence, We Are Love: Becoming Intimate with Everything
    Apr 23 2026
    Ep. 231 (Part 2 of 2) | In Part 2 of Deep Transformation’s third dialogue in the Path of Love Series with A. H. Almaas, Hameed Ali relates what happens on the path of return, after we have experienced dissolving into the radiance of the absolute. In following the path of heart (as opposed to the path of mind), we discover that in addition to pure emptiness, the absolute has (in its beingness aspect) a quality of consciousness that is pure intimacy. “The beloved is intimate with all things in the universe: intimate with people, with the rocks, with the stars… because its nature pervades everything.” Upon returning to the world, we find the universe has become the radiance of the beloved and ordinary life becomes full of love. That said, we may experience a great fear of losing our awakened realization, Hameed adds, which can further stir up old woundings which still need to be faced.Back in the world, as the embodied beloved, do you feel compassion for other people’s suffering? co-host John Dupuy wonders. The extent of the compassion is almost unimaginable, Hameed answers. There is vast empathy for all the suffering in the world, and especially for the deep suffering underlying it all that is caused by people not knowing their inner truth. It is by giving the beloved the opportunity to appear and know itself as we live our lives that we love and serve the inner beloved, Hameed continues. He explains that awareness is the beloved witnessing its creation, and that the emptiness aspect of the beloved, emphasized in Buddhism and on the path of mind, brings a searing clarity to our experience. A beautiful conversation, in which co-host Roger Walsh remarks that the presence of the inner beloved seems to be increasingly reflected in these dialogues as they unfold. Perhaps you will feel it too. Recorded January 29, 2026. “Regardless of what we think and feel, at our essence we are love.”​Topics & Time Stamps – Part 2The path of return: the fear of losing the beloved (00:34)Old wounds come up bringing more fear; you have to welcome all the wounding (01:24)Upon return, ordinary life becomes full of love—can this be translated into a scientific or mathematical theory? (02:26)Service is giving the inner beloved the opportunity to appear & know itself (04:47)The depth of compassion felt for the suffering of the world is almost unimaginable (06:50)If you don’t work things out, you can’t live in this world as the deity (10:47)The beloved is intimate with all things in the universe because its nature pervades everything (11:49)The primal cavity: the deep wish to go into dark, black emptiness (15:39)What is the relation between love and compassion? (19:36)The heart is just there for the beloved—the throne of the beloved (22:15)The more hatred and aggression, the more the disconnection (25:05)Witnessing: awareness is the beloved witnessing its creation (26:48)Realizing the emptiness: the radiance of the darkness is the essence of awareness (28:07)The feeling tone of these dialogues increasingly reflects the presence of the inner beloved (29:50)There is a lot more in the book The Inner Beloved, including conversations with Hameed’s students & exercises, that hasn’t been discussed (31:07)At our essence we are love: moving towards heart is the inherent potential of humanity (32:23)Resources & References – Part 2A. H. Almaas, The Inner Beloved: The Heart’s Journey to Divine UnityPrevious Deep Transformation Path of Love dialogues: Entering the Path of Heart, Emptying the Heart of All that Obscures the Inner Beloved & Dissolving into BlissRamakrishna, Hindu mystic“I was a hidden treasure and wanted to be known” is the beginning of probably the most famous hadith qudsi or extra-Qur’anic Word of GodLongchenpa: A Guide For Readers (Shambhala)Deep Transformation’s Path of Love Series with A. H. AlmaasDeep Transformation’s Path of Love Series with A. H. Almaas begins with an overview of Hameed Ali’s Love Trilogy — Love Unveiled, Nondual Love, and The Inner Beloved — to orient us on the spiritual path of love unique to Hameed Ali and the Diamond Approach, then delves into the profound and deeply touching topics Hameed addresses in his most recent book, The Inner Beloved, published in February 2026. Listeners may want to get a copy of this book, to study and follow along on this extraordinary path of awakening. Also, if you are interested in taking a course on The Inner Beloved in the fall of 2026, you can register your interest here: https://da.pages.ontraport.net/inner-beloved-interest.Special Diamond Approach Course Discount for Deep Transformation ListenersIf you are interested in taking a course offered by Diamond Approach Online, Hameed’s team at the Ridhwan School have offered a special 20% discount for Deep Transformation listeners. You can access the Course Catalog here: https://online.diamondapproach.org/catalog/. And enter the code DTP20 to receive your discount when you...
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    39 mins
  • Dissolving into Bliss: The Ecstasy of Ego Death

    Dissolving into Bliss: The Ecstasy of Ego Death
    Apr 16 2026
    Ep. 230 (Part 1 of 2) | The third dialogue in the Path of Love Series with A. H. Almaas opens with co-host Roger Walsh commenting that in reading Hameed’s most recent book, The Inner Beloved, he is struck by how different the Diamond Approach’s path of love is from those in other traditions. Hameed explains that, indeed, his path is different in that it addresses the sequence of events on the path of love systematically, using contemporary psychological language to describe the difficulties and barriers that arise, and further, that he includes not only obstacles that come up in the mind (concepts and beliefs), but emotional pain and woundings, abandonments and betrayals, which is something other traditions don’t often talk about. Why are our hearts not open? Because opening to such painful emotions is scary; our fear blocks us from opening to the vastness of divine love. The secret to moving forward on the path of love, Hameed says, is to love more intensely, more deeply. Love itself is the fuel that gets us through the obstacles to union with the inner beloved.Hameed speaks of the “death wish” that happens along the path, referring to our desire to dissolve completely into the beloved. “The deep heart loves the prospect of melting away and being nothing, being annihilated, completely absorbed into the beloved,” he explains. The death wish is a common reference in other paths of love, too—the Buddha calls this annihilation of self “emptiness”—and interestingly, Freud recognized it as a universal human characteristic, calling it the nirvana principle. “A deep intuition resides in every human heart,” Hameed continues, “a need for unification with what we love.” This can be small things—chocolate ice cream, our cell phone—which are legitimate objects of love, but in the end, only the inner beloved calls. Once again, Hameed gifts us with an illuminating teaching about the path of love, our desire for nonbeing, the hidden essence of love, and the integration of all we have let go of that happens after we awaken—all coming directly from his own lived experience. Recorded January 29, 2026.“It is inherent to the human being… the movement to dissolve into bliss, into the beloved.”Topics & Time Stamps – Part 1Introducing the 3rd dialogue in the Path of Love Series with A. H. Almaas, where we continue to explore Hameed’s latest book, The Inner Beloved (00:41)How Hameed’s path of love differs from other traditions (02:03)One difference is Hameed addresses the sequence of events on the path of love systematically, using psychological language to describe the difficulties & barriers that arise (05:27)On this path, obstacles are not just in the mind but include woundings that occur in relationships (08:09)After union with the beloved comes integration; here is where the nondual connection between the beloved and the world comes in (09:52)The state of desirelessness (10:36)The death wish: the yearning to be completely absorbed into the beloved (11:58)Freud called this deep, universal death wish in humans the nirvana principle (13:53)Buddha called this annihilation of self “emptiness” (18:28)The secret to moving the process along is to intensify our love (20:26)A deep intuition resides in every human heart: a need for unification with what you love (22:46)There is a kind of love where the yearning and wanting is just as ecstatic as loving itself—this is the hidden essence of love (26:45)Why are some called to the path of love yet others keep grasping for more substitute gratification? (28:50)There are 4 paths of yoga but the end is the same; the 4 suits of the tarot tell the stages of each yoga path (30:27)Coming out of the divine “coma,” the whole world is ablaze with love (33:02)The descent is not a loss of the realization, it is a further integration of what we have let go of (35:10)Resources & References – Part 1A. H. Almaas, The Inner Beloved: The Heart’s Journey to Divine UnityPrevious Deep Transformation Path of Love dialogues: Entering the Path of Heart & Emptying the Heart of All that Obscures the Inner BelovedPlato’s SymposiumFreud’s nirvana principle was introduced in Beyond the Pleasure PrincipleHis Holiness the Dalai Lama & Thubten Chodron speak about the absence of inherent existence in Searching for the SelfKen Wilber’s core text on substitute gratification is in The Atman Project: A Transpersonal View of Human DevelopmentThe 4 paths of yoga: Karma, Bhakti, Raja and Jnana (Yoga Easy)Mystical Origins of the Tarot by Paul HusonSt. John of the Cross writes about ascent in Ascent of Mount Carmel and descent in The Dark Night of the Soul---Deep Transformation’s Path of Love Series with A. H. AlmaasDeep Transformation’s Path of Love Series with A. H. Almaas begins with an overview of Hameed Ali’s Love Trilogy — Love Unveiled, Nondual Love, and The Inner Beloved — to orient us on the spiritual path of love unique to Hameed Ali and ...
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    41 mins
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