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Deep Transformation

Deep Transformation

Written by: Roger Walsh and John Dupuy
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Deep Transformation offers dialogues with cutting-edge thinkers, artists, contemplatives, and activists who combine big-picture, integrative perspectives with profound, contemplative depths. With these remarkable people, we explore the great questions of our time, such as how best to live, and how best to heal, learn, create, and contribute in our era of unprecedented challenges and opportunities. Visit our website at https://deeptransformation.io/ to learn more.Copyright 2026 Roger Walsh and John Dupuy Philosophy Self-Help Social Sciences Spirituality Success
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  • Many Truths, Many Teachings: Why Spiritual Paths Unveil Reality Differently

    Many Truths, Many Teachings: Why Spiritual Paths Unveil Reality Differently
    Aug 20 2026
    Ep. 240 | Co-host Roger Walsh found the novel concepts that A. H. Almaas presents in The Inner Journey Home’s Appendix G so intriguing, he asked Hameed for one last discussion to complete Deep Transformation’s systematic exploration of Hameed’s magnum opus. In Appendix G (and in this conversation), Hameed says that while there are many valid paths of awakening, different paths do not culminate in the same realization or experience. In other words, the Chinese proverb that says there are many ways to the top of the mountain, but the view is always the same is not accurate. Each spiritual teaching has its own logos, Hameed explains, its own “logic of experience and logic of practice that will naturally unfold the consciousness to open up to the secrets of reality and the depth of it, according to that particular logos.” This makes it possible for all different types of people, also from very different cultures, to “open to the perfection of reality in a way that liberates and makes sense to them.”The logos of a spiritual teaching is not created by anyone, Hameed continues. This is reality practicing its intelligent, creative, and loving magic by manifesting through an individual or community to provide us with different ways of realizing true nature. When we find the right path, the teaching will “click,” Hameed says, and with time and practice, we may crack the code of the logos of our chosen path and fulfill our spiritual destiny. The conversation weaves in and out of the fascinating implications of Hameed’s teaching, clarifying why Eastern and Western spiritual teachings are so different, and what differentiates the logos of the Diamond Approach. In wrapping up, Roger and John acknowledge that their intensive study of The Inner Journey Home provided them with a transmission—and a transformation. Hameed agrees; by deeply contemplating this book, he says, we open ourselves to the transmission, to the understanding and experiencing of what is presented. Recorded July 16, 2026.“Each path takes a human being deeper, vaster, bigger places… each particular logos can be seen as an expression of the optimizing force of the universe and logos.”Topics & Time StampsIntroducing dialogue #20 in the A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series, focusing on Appendix G of The Inner Journey Home: “Logoi of Teachings” (00:54)Defining “logos”: reality has an order to it, it’s not haphazard (03:13)Each teaching has its own logos, its own order & logic (08:34)Comparing the goals of Mahayana Buddhism & Advaita Vedanta: clarity & emptiness versus beingness (11:27)Getting beyond the idea of the “transcendental unity of religions” (14:59)For the logos to reveal the mystery of the teaching, you have to crack the code (19:31)The optimizing force of the logos: some are aligned with it, most people are not (21:56)Why are Eastern traditions very different from Western traditions? (25:40)Most masters don’t explore other teachings (28:07)Matching the teaching to the student (35:23)The challenge is to find the wisdom path that speaks to you so you can fulfill your spiritual destiny (39:38)Krishnamurti and the pathless path (42:08)The logos manifests through an individual or community; it’s not created by anyone (44:44)The logos of the Diamond Approach does not cloak reality by calling it illusion (45:55)The absolute: the dimension of mystery (49:05)Different traditions emphasize different spiritual qualities; some don’t even mention qualities (51:51)The logos of the shamanic realm (56:18)What differentiates the Diamond Approach’s logos from other traditions? (57:45)Contemplating The Inner Journey Home deeply, it becomes a transmission (1:04:48)The Deep Transformation journey with Hameed will continue (1:09:27)Resources & ReferencesA. H. Almaas (Hameed Ali), founder of The Ridhwan School, home of The Diamond ApproachA. H. Almaas, The Inner Journey Home: Soul’s Realization of the Unity of RealityThe Rigveda, the oldest known Vedic Sanskrit textA. H. Almaas Wisdom Series, Dialogue #15 focuses on the chapter “Logos & Creative Dynamism” in The Inner Journey Home (YouTube video)Mahayana Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, DzogchenThe Rimé movement, spearheaded by Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo and Jamgön Kongtrul Lodrö Taye in Eastern TibetKrishnamurti, Truth is a Pathless LandA. H. Almaas, Runaway Realization: Living a Life of Ceaseless DiscoveryKashmir ShaivismThe Path of Love Series with A. H. Almaas (Deep Transformation podcast series)On the qualities of the Diamond Path: A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series Dialogue #4, Discovering the Soul’s TreasuresKaren Johnson, co-developer of the Diamond Approach, The Jeweled Path: The Biography of the Diamond Approach to Inner Realization ---The A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series generally follows the sequence of Hameed’s magnum opus, The Inner Journey Home (which John describes as psychoactive and spiritually, psychologically, and intellectually transformative), so listeners may want...
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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • From Lifespan to Joyspan: Embracing a Growth Mindset for Aging

    From Lifespan to Joyspan: Embracing a Growth Mindset for Aging
    Aug 6 2026
    Ep. 239 | Renowned gerontologist and author Dr. Kerry Burnight is passionate about changing the way we think about aging. Growing older isn’t a bad thing, she emphasizes, let’s look at what gets better as we get older! Early in Dr. Kerry’s career, she marveled at how elderly people with the same degree of physical health could be absolutely miserable or happily engaged with life, and she dug into finding out why. Her research revealed four pillars of aging that together make all the difference in the quality of our well-being. Kerry urges us to adopt these practices as soon as we can, because just like with cardiovascular training, the earlier we start, the more benefit we accrue. In fact, the evidence is clear: research shows that people who have a “decline mindset” about aging die an average of seven years earlier than their counterparts with a “growth mindset.” It seems our beliefs about aging can easily become self-fulfilling prophecies.Finding joy in the second half of life involves not only cultivating connection and growth among other things, but also, very importantly, countering our own internalized ageism. Dr. Kerry gives some telling examples of common derogatory thoughts we have about ourselves as we age, and shows us how we can turn this around and step into our power as older people. In a moving testament to the special beauty and authenticity of the elderly, Kerry expresses gratitude for her opportunities as a gerontologist to be infused with the presence of her patients, in all their humility and greater appreciation of friendships, nature, music, art—of life itself. A poignant, lovely, illuminating, and inspiring conversation with someone who lives her talk and is making a meaningful difference in a culture that has lost its way in its approach to aging and caring for elders. Recorded September 18, 2025.“When we step into our power, we can revolutionize longevity.”Topics & Time StampsIntroducing “America’s gerontologist,” Dr. Kerry Burnight, author of Joyspan, The Art and Science of Thriving in Life’s Second Half (00:59)What is missing in the field of gerontology in America? (01:52)Lifespan, healthspan…what does “joyspan” signify? (02:44)The multibillion dollar anti-aging industry works on fear (04:57)Stepping into our internalized ageism (06:11)From revering elders for their wisdom to depending on youth to help us with technology (07:38)How is AI dividing us? (10:05)Kerry’s 4 pillars of aging: grow, connect, adapt, give (12:55)The psychological & physical benefits of service & the ripple effects of joy (21:51)Differentiating joy from happiness: practicing soul-centric activities (23:07)Beliefs about aging become self-fulfilling prophecies: the decline mindset vs the growth mindset (27:02)What gets better with aging? (30:23)How to get this research out to people? (33:24)Elder abuse, neglect & exploitation: the critical need to protect elders’ access to healthcare & housing (35:01)World wide poverty and the future for elders (40:47)Leaning into the older version of ourselves (43:37)We will all face tough stuff on this journey… but there are things that get better as we age (44:46)Counter your internalized ageist thoughts! When we step into our power, we can revolutionize longevity (46:56)Resources & ReferencesDr. Kerry’s website: https://drkerryburnight.com/Dr. Kerry Burnight, Joyspan: The Art and Science of Thriving in Life’s Second HalfRoger Walsh, Essential Spirituality: The 7 Central Practices to Awaken Heart and MindDr. Laura Mosqueda at UC Irvine (Dr. Kerry’s partner in aging research)M. T. Connolly, The Measure of Our Age: Navigating Care, Safety, Money, and Meaning Later in LifeBernadette Boden-Albala, founding dean of public health at UC Irvine---Dr. Kerry Burnight, known as America’s Gerontologist, is on a mission to help people fall in love with the rest of their lives. Fed up with the fear-driven, anti-aging hysteria, millions of people turn to her for a proven approach to navigating the new longevity—one based upon a profound truth: the key to good longevity isn’t the length of your life, it’s the quality of your life. Efforts to maximize lifespan, and even healthspan, don’t address the whole picture. Longevity is meaningless if you don’t like your life. In her New York Times best-seller, Dr. Burnight introduces the critical concept of “joyspan,” based on the science of well-being, contentment, connection, meaning, growth, and choice.Dr. Kerry Burnight taught Geriatric Medicine and Gerontology for 18 years at the University of California, Irvine School of Medicine, where she co-founded and directed the nation’s first Elder Abuse Forensic Center. She currently teaches at the University of Chicago and has been featured in The New York Times, The Guardian, Time Magazine, CBS Mornings, Oprah Daily, CNN, and BBC News. She is the longevity health advisor at Forbes Health and in the TIME 100 Health.---Podcast produced...
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    50 mins
  • Meeting the Pain of the World: A Path to Collective Healing

    Meeting the Pain of the World: A Path to Collective Healing
    Jul 23 2026
    Ep. 238 | In this brilliantly articulated and illuminating conversation, renowned international facilitator Thomas Hübl shares his deep understanding of the dynamics of collective trauma as well as practical wisdom about how we can heal the large, often inherited, wounds we carry. Thomas conveys the magnitude of problems created by shoving our collective wounds out of sight and mind, perhaps the worst consequence of which is when we do this, we are destined to repeat the same horrors over again. What we need, Thomas explains, is to develop an architecture that would provide a healing space to deal with our wounds (racism, genocide, and immigration, to name a few). Meeting our collective pain in this way would allow us to mature to a level of forgiveness where we could collaborate globally on urgent issues like AI and climate change. Without this healing, Thomas says, the energy that can forgive remains frozen in the wound.The dialogue becomes profoundly hopeful as Thomas describes someone who has met their pain and healed themselves of individual and collective trauma. Listening is like receiving a transmission—for a moment we feel ourselves to be this person: integrated, authentic, vulnerable, fully attuned to our reality, at peace with both the beauty and the difficulties, free of false hopes and unrealistic dreams. If we could embrace the power of collective healing that Thomas has witnessed again and again in his work, and “melt the permafrost of our collective trauma,” we could step out of the never-ending cycle of violence, cruelty, and misunderstanding that will otherwise continue to haunt us. This conversation goes right to the heart of things: if we recognize our interrelatedness and find a way to practice interdependence, we can grow beyond our individual and collective pain into a tremendously more hopeful future. Recorded October 30, 2025.“Unconscious information is destiny. Conscious information has a choice, has a future.”Topics & Time StampsIntroducing teacher, author & facilitator Thomas Hübl, who offers a deep understanding of collective trauma—and collective healing (00:49)How is Thomas able to stay attuned and hold this large field he works with? (02:43)Attunement is another way to say interdependence (05:56)A grounded spiritual practice helps to hold the space & learn from the process, rather than direct the process (06:57)How does Thomas understand the healing process? (10:51)Bringing awareness to a collective wound allows it to give its gift (14:03)Has Thomas found a way of working with the Israel/Gaza situation? (16:03)Hot trauma is different from historical or ancestral trauma (21:55)Without processes to deal with large wounds, the repetition compulsion will keep happening (23:00)How to deal with authoritarian regimes whitewashing history? (25:47)Huge trauma wounds in the U.S.: racism, genocide, and now immigration (27:07)We need a collective healing space; everybody who is alive has been born into this legacy and it has become normalized (28:22)In this global village, there is no “them” anymore (30:25) Cultural amnesia allows us to live with violence; nonviolence is a natural consequence of realizing interdependence (32:06)Ethics and health are inherently interrelated (34:17)You cannot erase history; it’s a felt experience in our bodies (36:14) The exaggeration of separation & self-righteousness by social media (37:11)The reality we create with each other is painful; hope lies in a sense of agency (40:16) How can we forgive horrific violations of life? Melting the permafrost of our collective trauma (42:58) What does a person look like who has faced these deep issues and healed? (49:08) The power of healing collectives is very hopeful for accelerating social transformation (55:58)Resources & ReferencesThomas Hübl’s website: https://thomashuebl.com/Thomas Hübl’s podcast: Point of RelationThomas Hübl, Healing Collective TraumaThomas Hübl, Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our WorldThomas Hübl & Richard Schwartz (founder of Internal Family Systems), Releasing Our Burdens: A Guide to Healing Individual, Ancestral, and Collective TraumaGlobal Restoration Institute, promoting global interconnectivity & long-term peace through integrating innovative trauma-informed practices with conflict resolution & prevention methods---Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.Thomas is the author of Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World, Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds, and most recently, co-author of Releasing Our Burdens: A Guide to Healing ...
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    59 mins
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