In this powerful episode, Heidi and Emily reflect on how God has been calling them higher over the past two years of producing Doing Business with Jesus. They open up about the dangers of comparison, how it robs the Church of God’s promises, and the beauty of walking in obedience—both in the small steps and the big leaps.

And yes... there’s a big announcement at the end. Heidi and Emily are stepping into something new. You don’t want to miss it.

In this follow-up to the most listened-to episode on Doing Business with Jesus, Mark VanderWal returns to talk more openly—and more boldly—about his journey through childhood sexual abuse, high-functioning anxiety, identity struggles, and the quiet fear of being seen as weak.

But this time, the focus isn’t on what happened. It’s on what God did with it.

Mark shares what healing looks like in real time, how surrender—not strength—was the turning point, and why he no longer regrets any of his story. He also speaks directly to the men still hiding in silence, the wives who want to help, and the leaders who are quietly breaking under the weight of performance.

This episode is real. It’s raw. And it’s filled with hope.

Because healing is possible. Freedom is real. And you don’t have to hide anymore.

Kristie shares her testimony of how cultivating her inherent creative gifting brought her to the place of owning her own Interior Design firm. She vulnerably shares how God met her all along the way, using hardship and affliction to draw her into a depth of intimacy she didn’t realize was available to her. As you listen, you’ll see how God has taken her creative understanding that every room is a palette, and paralleled it to her spiritual understanding.