In this episode of Soul Care in Real Life, Brian sits down with Dr. Thomas Jay Oord—a leading voice in contemporary theology and one of the most influential thinkers shaping conversations about God, love, and human freedom today.

Dr. Oord invites us into a deeper understanding of love as the defining reality of God—not as control or coercion, but as relational, uncontrolling, and always working for the good. Drawing from his work in open and relational theology, he explores what it means to live in a world where God does not override suffering but faithfully participates with us in it.

Together, the conversation wrestles with questions many carry quietly:

• Where is God in suffering and tragedy?
• What does it mean to trust a God who doesn’t control everything?
• How can love shape the way we respond to pain, uncertainty, and others?

This episode offers both intellectual depth and pastoral care, creating space for listeners to reflect on their own experiences of faith, doubt, and hope. Whether you’re navigating loss, asking hard theological questions, or simply longing for a more compassionate vision of God, this conversation opens a path toward a more honest and life-giving faith.

Learn more about Dr. Oord's work at the Center for Open and Relational Theology - here