Corona virus, climate change, economic Armageddon, what next? Our current situation is one of change, of re-invention, a time which might beg the question, what kind of world do we want to live in? How can we get there?

Episode 4 of the Dragons Brew Podcast, direct from Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant. Recorded in Wales for a global audience, what does permaculture mean to you? An exploration of possibilities for an abundant resilient and truly sustainable future.

Steve and Yossi share their co-operative home with each other, 2 cats, a dog, a shop selling local crafts and produce and an international permaculture education enterprise, Sector39.

The soil is where death becomes life again, where spent organic matter is dissembled and reconfigured as living matter. Microbes, fungi & plants are the basis of biological engine that drives our world.

Understanding and harmonizing with this process is the key to our survival. Learning to love soil could be our most important lesson.

• Yossi and Steve begin to grapple with this huge subject and begin to bring it into our everyday conversation.

Recorded in the early days of the pandemic and taking an over view of where we are at and how we might respond. Framing the pandemic in a context of biology, corona virus is a product of our living plant, it is evolutionary and it is changing human behaviour.

This was our second trial episode, recorded in Garth Hillside garden in Glynceiriog, North Wales