In 2020, amid nationwide protests over police violence and the lingering shadow of the De'Von Bailey case, a 19-year-old shot in the back by Colorado Springs police in 2018, the city created the Law Enforcement Transparency and Advisory Commission, known as LETAC. It was supposed to give residents a meaningful voice in how their police department operated.

Six years later, the commission voted to recommend its own dissolution.

In this episode, we sit down with the two women who bookend that entire story. Both are community leaders and board members of Pikes Peak Women.

JJ Frazier was LETAC's founding chair, appointed in the commission's earliest days, and Deb Walker served as Chairwoman at the end, presiding over the commission's final months and the vote that closed its doors.

This episode is available on video: https://youtu.be/ViO51URgB-E

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Elevating Pikes Peak Women is produced by Pikes Peak Women. Our mission is to provide a platform where women in the Pikes Peak region can become engaged and discuss civic issues about which they care deeply.

We’ve provided platforms to address healthcare reform, pay equity, community innovation, and investment, along with facilitating the meaningful contribution of women at all levels of business, government, and community. Issues may include women’s health and safety, challenges with career and family, or the actions of politicians for or against women’s rights. While such issues may be emotionally charged, we expect and maintain civility among all.

We are committed to the deliberate recruitment and support of women in leadership positions and actively work on issues that make a difference. Pikes Peak Women is an independent organization, coordinated by volunteer effort.

Civility has become a popular solution to political and civic dysfunction—but what if we’re aiming at the wrong target? In this episode of the HUB series, Brenda Morrison talks with Johnna Reeder Kleymeyer, President and CEO of the Colorado Springs Chamber & EDC about civility as an economic, civic, and leadership issue, and asks a harder question: when incivility is structurally rewarded by people in power, who is responsible for changing the terrain?

This is the second in a special series of episodes on “HUB” – hearing, listening and bridging. This series brings together diverse voices from across Colorado Springs community – city councilors, business leaders, grassroots organizers, and civility advocates – to explore how we can disagree better. Each episode offers tangible skills and real-world perspectives to help listeners build understanding, foster respectful dialogue, and move forward together.

Here are other episodes in this series:

1. HUB: Hearing, Understanding, Bridging with Lauren Hug: https://studio809podcasts.com/hearing-listening-bridging-lauren-hug/

LINKS:

Colorado Springs Chamber & EDC: https://coloradospringschamberedc.com/

‘Change the terrain’ for deliberative democracy – column by Brenda Morrison: https://www.coloradopolitics.com/2026/03/31/change-the-terrain-for-deliberative-democracy-feedback/

We’ve got another great episode coming to you soon! Be sure to follow the podcast so you don’t miss an episode. Find it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. Reach out to us on Facebook, comment at this episode’s webpage, or send an email to let us know what you thought of today’s episode.

Pikes Peak Women on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PikesPeakWomen/

Pikes Peak Women on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pikes_peak_women/

Email: pikespeakwmn@gmail.com

Elevating Pikes Peak Women is produced by Pikes Peak Women. Our mission is to provide a platform where women in the Pikes Peak region can become engaged and discuss civic issues about which they care deeply.

We’ve provided platforms to address healthcare reform, pay equity, community innovation, and investment, along with facilitating the meaningful contribution of women at all levels of business, government, and community. Issues may include women’s health and safety, challenges with career and family, or the actions of politicians for or against women’s rights. While such issues may be emotionally charged, we expect and maintain civility among all.

We are committed to the deliberate recruitment and support of women in leadership positions and actively work on issues that make a difference. Pikes Peak Women is an independent organization, coordinated by volunteer effort.

"Civility isn’t weakness—it’s a skill. And it’s one we can all learn." In an era of increasing polarization, how do we stay engaged without becoming divided? Strategist, author, and civil discourse expert Lauren Hug explores the art of "Digital Kindness" with host Beth Roalstad. Lauren draws on 30 years of experience—ranging from the courtroom to social media—to discuss how we can rebuild the civic fabric of our community. Together, they dive into the tangible skills needed to move past "listening to respond" and toward "listening to understand."

Lauren Hug is a strategist and facilitator specializing in communication strategy, consensus-building, and public engagement. A former trial attorney and jury consultant, Lauren is a pioneer in using social media as a tool for civil discourse. She is the author of Digital Kindness and has spent nearly a decade training leaders on how to use digital spaces to strengthen community connections.

Connect with Lauren Hug:

https://www.laurenhug.com/

Digital Kindness: A Guide to Reclaiming Kindness and Community in the Digital Age – by Lauren Hug: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50190988-digital-kindness

We’ve got another great episode coming to you soon! Be sure to follow the podcast so you don’t miss an episode. Find it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. Reach out to us on Facebook, comment at this episode’s webpage, or send an email to let us know what you thought of today’s episode.

Pikes Peak Women on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PikesPeakWomen/

Pikes Peak Women on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pikes_peak_women/

Email: pikespeakwmn@gmail.com

Elevating Pikes Peak Women is produced by Pikes Peak Women. Our mission is to provide a platform where women in the Pikes Peak region can become engaged and discuss civic issues about which they care deeply.

We’ve provided platforms to address healthcare reform, pay equity, community innovation, and investment, along with facilitating the meaningful contribution of women at all levels of business, government, and community. Issues may include women’s health and safety, challenges with career and family, or the actions of politicians for or against women’s rights. While such issues may be emotionally charged, we expect and maintain civility among all.

We are committed to the deliberate recruitment and support of women in leadership positions and actively work on issues that make a difference. Pikes Peak Women is an independent organization, coordinated by volunteer effort.