On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Alena Morris, Vice President of Product Marketing at Kargo. With over 15 years in ad tech and media — including leadership roles at PubMatic and Quantcast — Alena has seen the industry evolve from managed services to programmatic, and now to an AI-driven future.

In this conversation, they explore how the lines between SSPs, DSPs, and retail media are blurring; how AI is shifting from creative production to creative intelligence; and what it takes to lead teams through periods of rapid change. Alena also shares lessons from her first six months at Kargo — from rebuilding trust across teams to shaping the company’s transition from a creative-first business to a tech-powered platform.

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On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Chris Gaebler — a seasoned Chief Marketing Officer whose career spans leadership roles at Netscout, Kaspersky, Guardicore, Sonrai Security, and Protegrity.

In this conversation, they dive into what it means to lead marketing in an era defined by relentless change — from navigating new go-to-market models and the rise of AI, to keeping teams motivated and creative amid uncertainty. Chris shares his perspective on how CMOs can separate signal from noise, adapt their playbooks in real time, and build organizations that thrive through disruption.

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On this episode of Embracing Erosion, Devon sits down with Sarah Cascone, the Chief Marketing Officer at Appriss Retail and former VP of Marketing at Bluecore, where she helped scale the company from startup to industry leader.

In this conversation, they explored what it takes to lead marketing in a constantly evolving landscape — from scaling startups to transforming enterprise organizations. We talked about the traits that define great modern marketers, how she’s rebuilding the Appriss Retail marketing function with agility and AI at the core, and why she believes critical thinking will be the next must-have skill for every marketer. Enjoy the conversation!