Episodes

  • The Chart of Truth Is Turning | Rupert Mitchell on the Regime Change Investors Are Missing
    Jan 22 2026

    In this episode of Excess Returns, Rupert Mitchell returns to break down a rapidly shifting global macro landscape and explain how he is positioning across regions, assets, and market regimes. The conversation spans emerging markets, commodities, China, Latin America, US market leadership, and the risks building beneath familiar narratives. Rupert walks through the charts, frameworks, and portfolio construction decisions that underpin his current outlook, with a focus on duration, cash flows, and real assets in a changing cycle.

    Topics covered include:

    • Why US equity leadership is showing signs of fatigue after a decade-plus run

    • The case for emerging markets as a multi-year relative trade

    • Latin America as a commodity-driven opportunity rather than a political bet

    • Brazil, Mexico, and Peru through the lens of fiscal policy and real assets

    • Why India stands out as expensive within emerging markets

    • China’s equity market inflection and the role of domestic savings and fiscal support

    • The difference between onshore A-shares and offshore Chinese equities

    • Why Rupert prefers lower-beta, dividend-oriented exposure in China

    • How AI is being deployed differently in China versus the US

    • The risks facing enterprise software and long-duration growth assets

    • Portfolio construction, benchmarking, and managing drawdowns across cycles

    • How Rupert thinks about hedging, trend following, and capital preservation

    Timestamps:
    00:00 Macro market backdrop and early warning signals
    01:00 Venezuela, oil, and why context matters more than headlines
    04:40 The chart of truth and US versus international equities
    07:00 Emerging markets relative performance and historical parallels
    10:00 Duration risk, valuation, and the shift toward real assets
    14:30 Mag 7 leadership, software weakness, and AI disruption
    18:00 India valuations and the role of flows and derivatives
    20:40 Latin America beyond politics: commodities and fiscal drivers
    26:00 Brazil, Mexico, and country-level positioning
    29:50 Benchmarking and why Latin America is a major overweight
    32:10 China’s equity inflection and the ABC framework
    36:00 Fiscal policy, buybacks, and domestic savings in China
    41:00 Tencent versus Alibaba and managing drawdowns
    44:30 AI capex discipline in China versus the US
    46:00 Stock selection in China and second-derivative opportunities
    51:00 Portfolio construction, benchmarks, and risk management
    58:00 Blind Squirrel Macro, live shows, and ongoing research

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • 10 Cents on the Dollar | Gary Mishuris on Mispriced Fear and Lessons from Warner Brothers
    Jan 21 2026

    In this episode of Excess Returns, we sit down with Gary Mishuris, Managing Partner and CIO of Silver Ring Value Partners, to explore how deep fundamental analysis, behavioral insight, and disciplined process come together in real-world investing. Gary shares formative lessons from his early career at Fidelity during the post-tech bubble period, including firsthand experiences learning from legends like Peter Lynch, and connects those lessons to how he evaluates value, quality, and mispricing today. The conversation spans a detailed case study on Warner Bros. Discovery, portfolio construction under uncertainty, selective use of options, and how artificial intelligence is reshaping the research process for long-term investors.

    Topics covered in this episode
    • Lessons from Peter Lynch and Fidelity on why “just cheap” does not work
    • The Silver Ring origin story and how early life experiences shaped a value investing mindset
    • Warner Bros. Discovery as a good business plus bad business mispricing case study
    • How hated stocks, spin-offs, and catalysts can unlock hidden value
    • Conviction, position sizing, and staying rational when the market disagrees
    • When and why options can be used in a value investing framework
    • Auctions, ego, and why prices can overshoot intrinsic value
    • The role of mental models like reflexivity, activation energy, and lollapalooza effects
    • How AI fits into an investment research process without replacing judgment
    • What average investors should understand about incentives and simplicity

    Timestamps
    00:00 Introduction and why “just cheap” does not work
    02:20 Early career at Fidelity and lessons from Peter Lynch
    07:40 The Silver Ring story and learning what real value means
    12:00 Warner Bros. Discovery and the good company bad company problem
    18:30 Conviction, mispricing, and maintaining discipline in hated stocks
    26:40 Using options selectively and managing portfolio-level risk
    34:10 Auctions, ego, and when price can detach from intrinsic value
    44:30 Entertainment, media disruption, and evergreen demand for content
    49:50 How AI is changing equity research and idea generation
    55:40 What AI can see that humans often miss
    01:00:30 One lesson for the average investor

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    1 hr and 3 mins
  • The Line We Can't Cross | Mike Green on the Passive Investing Endgame
    Jan 20 2026

    In this episode of Excess Returns, we sit down with Mike Green of Simplify Asset Management for a deep dive into how passive investing has reshaped market structure, altered price discovery, and created new sources of systemic risk beneath the surface of today’s equity markets. Mike explains why index funds are not as passive as most investors believe, how daily flows drive prices in increasingly inelastic markets, and why the growth of passive strategies may be pushing markets toward an unstable endpoint. The conversation also explores macro implications, AI-driven capital spending, demographic shifts, and what all of this means for investors navigating the years ahead.

    Topics covered

    • How passive investing and ETF flows actively influence market prices

    • The inelastic market hypothesis and why markets absorb flows differently than investors expect

    • Why index funds no longer fit the classic definition of passive investing

    • The growing share of passive ownership and what happens as it continues to rise

    • Potential market instability and the theoretical limits of passive dominance

    • How demographics, retirement flows, and 401k defaults affect market structure

    • Critiques of arguments downplaying the impact of passive investing

    • Why large-cap concentration keeps increasing despite slowing fundamentals

    • Implications for active management, stock selection, and liquidity

    • The role of AI, capital expenditures, and energy constraints in the macro outlook

    • What rising electricity demand and infrastructure investment mean for the economy

    • Housing market distortions, demographics, and long-term structural challenges

    Timestamps
    00:00 Introduction and why passive investing is not truly passive
    03:00 The inelastic market hypothesis explained
    06:00 Daily flows, index funds, and price impact
    08:20 How much of the market is now passive
    11:40 What happens if passive investing keeps growing
    14:20 Retirement flows and demographic effects on markets
    19:00 Responding to critiques of passive market impact
    23:00 Liquidity, concentration, and large-cap dominance
    27:00 Why market cap does not equal liquidity
    33:00 Active management under pressure
    38:00 Current market conditions and early-year rotations
    41:50 Economic growth, GDP, and underlying volatility
    43:30 AI capex, overinvestment, and market incentives
    47:00 Energy, electricity demand, and long-term constraints
    52:40 Housing, demographics, and policy challenges

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    56 mins
  • Disbelief Is the Real Risk: Gene Munster and Doug Clinton on Why the AI Bubble is Just Getting Started
    Jan 18 2026

    This episode of Excess Returns features Gene Munster and Doug Clinton breaking down their 2026 technology and market predictions, with a deep focus on artificial intelligence, big tech, and where investors may be misreading the current cycle. The conversation explores how far along the AI bull market really is, what fundamentals still support it, and where the biggest opportunities and risks may emerge over the next several years. Munster and Clinton discuss market structure, capital spending, valuation, and technological inflection points across AI, software, hardware, and autonomous driving, offering a grounded but forward-looking framework for long-term investors.

    Main topics covered

    • Why the AI bull market may still have multiple years left and how fundamentals support current valuations

    • Nasdaq return expectations through 2026 and what earnings and multiples imply for investors

    • The case for small-cap and non–Mag Seven tech outperforming as the AI cycle matures

    • Hyperscaler AI capital spending and why CapEx growth could exceed current expectations

    • Whether AI pricing pressure leads to commoditization or expanding long-term value creation

    • How AI is changing the economics of infrastructure, platforms, and asset-heavy tech businesses

    • Apple’s AI strategy, the future of Siri, and why expectations matter for valuation

    • Alphabet, Amazon, and the evolving AI competition among the largest technology companies

    • Energy constraints, data centers, nuclear power, and the infrastructure needed to support AI growth

    • Tesla, Waymo, and the realistic timeline for autonomous driving and robotaxi adoption

    • How physical AI, autonomy, and robotics could reshape transportation and consumer behavior

    Timestamps
    00:00 AI cycle outlook and why the bull market may still be early
    05:00 Nasdaq return expectations and earnings fundamentals
    10:30 Small-cap tech versus Mag Seven performance
    17:15 Hyperscaler AI CapEx and Nvidia’s signals
    24:00 Infrastructure, pricing power, and AI commoditization debates
    32:30 Apple, Siri, and consumer AI assistants
    38:50 Alphabet, Amazon, and AI competition among mega-cap tech
    45:00 Energy, data centers, and nuclear power considerations
    48:10 Tesla, autonomy, and robotaxi timelines
    54:15 Waymo, market share, and the future of transportation


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    1 hr
  • The Bubble Most Will Get Wrong | Aswath Damodaran on How He is Managing His Own Money in a World of AI
    Jan 16 2026

    In this episode of Excess Returns, Professor Aswath Damodaran joins Matt Zeigler and Kai Wu for a wide-ranging conversation on valuation, portfolio construction, and how investors should think about risk, discipline, and opportunity in a market shaped by AI, market concentration, and rising uncertainty. Damodaran walks through how he builds and manages his own portfolio, why price matters more than story or quality, and how AI-driven capital spending could reshape margins and returns across the economy. The discussion blends practical investing frameworks with big-picture market insights, offering a clear look at how a valuation-driven investor navigates today’s environment.

    Main topics covered
    • How Aswath Damodaran builds a stock portfolio, including diversification, position sizing, and turnover
    • Why investing is about buying at the right price, not buying great companies
    • Using valuation frameworks to invest in young, unprofitable, and fast-growing companies
    • How stories and narratives fit into valuation without replacing financial discipline
    • Watchlists, patience, and waiting for price rather than chasing popular stocks
    • Sell discipline, overvaluation triggers, and avoiding emotional attachment to winners
    • Using probability distributions and simulations instead of single-point estimates
    • How company lifecycles affect growth, margins, and capital allocation decisions
    • Why many companies struggle as they age and how management quality shows up late in the lifecycle
    • AI as a capital cycle and why massive AI investment may lower margins overall
    • Why AI is likely to create a bubble, even if it delivers long-term economic value
    • Winners and losers in the AI value chain, from infrastructure to applications
    • Risks from AI infrastructure spending, debt, and cross-ownership structures
    • Why private markets may not deliver better outcomes for individual investors
    • How Damodaran thinks about cash, diversification, and assets uncorrelated with equities
    • Reentering markets after selling and avoiding the trap of staying in cash too long
    • Time horizon, legacy investing, and managing wealth across generations

    Timestamps
    00:00 Investing is about price, valuation, and early thoughts on AI and market risk
    01:54 Personal investing philosophy and why portfolios must be investor-specific
    03:00 Diversification, number of holdings, and managing downside risk
    05:00 Valuation frameworks and buying companies at the right price
    06:00 Stories versus numbers and avoiding the circle of competence trap
    08:20 Political risk and why some sectors are hard to value
    08:47 Watchlists, patience, and waiting for price to meet value
    11:43 When and why to sell stocks as a value investor
    12:00 Using probability distributions and simulations in valuation
    15:48 Sell discipline, fund flows, and separating skill from luck
    18:00 Company lifecycles, aging businesses, and management discipline
    23:18 Apple, Meta, and contrasting approaches to AI investment
    24:08 AI bubbles, winner-take-all dynamics, and capital cycles
    27:48 Infrastructure investing, debt risk, and societal spillovers
    32:20 Cross-ownership risks and AI ecosystem fragility
    35:00 AI’s impact on profit margins and competition
    39:41 Where AI value may accrue over time
    44:38 AI tools, valuation bots, and the rise of investment scams
    49:17 Private markets, alternatives, and cost structures
    53:05 Cash, collectibles, and diversification beyond equities
    56:33 Reentering markets after selling and avoiding market timing traps
    58:35 Time horizon, legacy investing, and generational wealth

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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • The Great Moderation Is Over | Liz Ann Sonders on What Replaces It
    Jan 14 2026

    In this episode of Excess Returns, we welcome back Liz Ann Sonders to discuss the evolving market and economic landscape heading into 2026. The conversation focuses on why this cycle feels fundamentally different, how instability rather than uncertainty is shaping investor behavior, and what that means for inflation, the labor market, Federal Reserve policy, and equity markets. Liz Ann breaks down the growing bifurcation across the economy and markets, the shift away from the Great Moderation era, and how investors should think about diversification, earnings, valuations, and AI-driven capital spending in a more volatile and fragmented environment.

    Main topics covered
    • Why today’s environment is better described as unstable rather than uncertain
    • The K-shaped economy and growing bifurcation across consumers, sectors, and markets
    • Inflation dynamics and why 2 percent may now be a floor rather than a ceiling
    • How deglobalization, supply chains, and tariffs are changing the inflation regime
    • The shifting relationship between stocks and bonds
    • Hard data versus soft data and what sentiment is really telling us
    • The labor market’s headwinds and tailwinds, including immigration and hiring trends
    • AI’s impact on productivity, jobs, and capital spending
    • The AI capex boom and how it differs from the late 1990s tech cycle
    • Earnings growth, valuation compression, and market broadening
    • Rolling recessions versus traditional economic downturns
    • Federal Reserve challenges under a conflicted dual mandate
    • Why factor-based investing matters more than sector or style calls

    Timestamps
    00:00 Introduction and why this cycle feels different
    02:00 Uncertainty versus instability in markets
    03:30 The K-shaped economy and market bifurcation
    07:00 Market broadening, small caps, and diversification
    09:00 Inflation measurement challenges and data reliability
    12:00 Why inflation may stay above 2 percent
    15:00 Stock and bond correlations across cycles
    17:30 Labor market crosscurrents and immigration effects
    20:45 AI, productivity, and entry-level job pressures
    24:30 Sentiment versus fundamentals in markets
    27:30 Retail trading, behavior, and market psychology
    31:00 Rolling recessions and post-pandemic distortions
    38:00 Technology, cyclicality, and sector rotation
    40:30 The Fed’s policy dilemma and internal disagreements
    45:00 AI capital spending and comparisons to the dot-com era
    51:00 Earnings growth versus valuation expansion
    55:00 Factors, GARP, and portfolio positioning for 2026

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    59 mins
  • The Regime Shift No One is Prepared For | Grant Williams on the 100 Year Pivot
    Jan 12 2026

    This episode of Excess Returns features a wide ranging conversation with Grant Williams on what he calls the hundred year pivot. Grant explains why today’s environment feels fundamentally different from the last several decades, why long held investing assumptions may no longer apply, and how declining trust in institutions, money, and markets is reshaping the global financial system. Drawing on history, macroeconomics, and decades of market experience, the discussion explores what this transition means for investors trying to navigate a world defined by uncertainty, volatility, and structural change.

    Main topics covered
    • What the hundred year pivot means and why it represents a once in a generation shift
    • The Fourth Turning framework and how it connects financial crises, politics, and social change
    • Why buy the dip worked for decades and why it may fail in the years ahead
    • The erosion of trust in institutions and its impact on markets and money
    • The financial crisis, sanctions, and the freezing of sovereign assets as turning points
    • The role of the dollar, gold, and central banks in a changing monetary system
    • Lessons from history including Bretton Woods and the Suez crisis
    • Why commodities and real assets matter in a world of deglobalization and reshoring
    • How artificial intelligence fits into the current investment cycle and capital allocation boom
    • Portfolio construction and behavioral challenges in a higher volatility environment

    Timestamps
    00:00 The hundred year pivot and why this cycle is different
    01:30 Defining the Fourth Turning and historical cycles
    07:40 The financial crisis as the start of institutional breakdown
    11:00 Sanctions, sovereign assets, and the end of unquestioned trust in the dollar
    18:20 Historical parallels from Bretton Woods and the Suez crisis
    24:50 What could trigger a broader monetary reset
    28:50 Energy, geopolitics, and shifting global alliances
    35:00 Commodities, real assets, and rebuilding supply chains
    42:40 Artificial intelligence, capital cycles, and uncertainty
    52:30 Portfolio construction, behavior, and risk tolerance
    59:50 Where to follow Grant Williams and his work

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Sold At "Irrational Exuberance". Still Lost Money | Sam Ro on the Bubble Paradox
    Jan 10 2026

    In this episode of Excess Returns, we dive deep into one of the most pressing investing debates today: how to think about valuations, profit margins, and artificial intelligence in a market that feels both expensive and transformative. Sam Ro joins Matt Zeigler and Kai Wu for a wide-ranging conversation that explores whether traditional valuation tools still matter, how AI is reshaping corporate economics, and why history suggests investors should be cautious about bubble narratives even when enthusiasm runs high. From profit margins and capital intensity to the future of the Magnificent Seven, this episode focuses on how long-term investors can frame uncertainty without relying on false precision or short-term market calls.

    Timestamps
    00:00 Valuations, bubbles, and why timing markets is so hard
    01:41 Do valuations still matter for investors
    05:58 S&P 500 valuation levels versus history
    09:30 Profit margins and why mean reversion has not shown up yet
    14:39 Household finances, pricing power, and consumer resilience
    15:47 AI, productivity, and the limits of forecasting economic impact
    19:15 Valuations adjusted for structurally higher profit margins
    21:15 Tech multiples, growth expectations, and PEG ratios
    24:07 Are we in an AI bubble and why that question may not help
    29:14 Lessons from past bubbles and irrational exuberance
    30:14 How transformative AI could be compared to past innovations
    35:20 Massive AI capital spending and the risk of overbuild
    39:42 Who captures value in AI: builders versus users
    46:39 Revenue per worker and productivity trends
    48:00 Dispersion inside the Magnificent Seven
    51:34 Big tech shifting from asset-light to asset-heavy models
    59:53 Turnover among top companies over time
    01:01:10 Why Wall Street price targets miss the point
    01:04:30 Presidential cycles and market returns
    01:06:28 Fund manager surveys and why popular risks are often lagging indicators

    Topics covered
    How investors should think about valuations over long time horizons
    Why elevated profit margins may be more structural than cyclical
    The role of AI in productivity, earnings, and competitive dynamics
    Bubble psychology and lessons from the dot-com era
    Capital intensity, overinvestment, and the risk of write-downs
    Why AI infrastructure builders may not capture most of the value
    What dispersion within the Magnificent Seven signals for markets
    Why broad diversification still matters in a rapidly changing market

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    1 hr and 10 mins