In this deeply personal episode, Tim and Tuesday open up about a major transition: Tuesday’s decision to step away from The Outside after nearly two decades of partnership.

What unfolds is an honest, emotional, and thoughtful conversation about what it means to listen for “what’s next” - even when it’s unclear, inconvenient, or uncomfortable. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and uncertainty, the courage it takes to follow an inner knowing, and the realities of unwinding a long-standing partnership with care.

This isn’t a story about conflict - it’s about alignment. About trusting your own compass. About honoring relationships while allowing paths to diverge.

As they begin to close this chapter, Tim and Tuesday invite you into the messiness, the meaning-making, and the possibility that comes with change.

Resources

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com

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What if the past isn’t behind us - but still speaking, through stories, spaces, and even the buildings around us?

In this rich and reflective conversation, Tim sits down with facilitator, counselor, and radio host Maria Bakari to explore the deep connections between people, place, and participation. From the ancient island of Rhodes to European youth work and civic engagement initiatives, Maria shares how her work brings individuals and communities into meaningful relationship—with each other and with their shared heritage.

Together, they explore the idea of “mythological time,” the hidden stories held within landscapes and architecture, and how engaging citizens in creative and participatory processes can transform not just communities, but our sense of belonging.

The conversation also turns to the quiet power of radio in a fragmented digital world—where being “on the same frequency” becomes both a literal and metaphorical act of connection.

Grounded, poetic, and deeply human, this episode invites us to listen more closely - to each other, to our environments, and to the enduring threads that connect past, present, and future.

Resources:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com
• Meet Maria Bakari

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In a world that feels increasingly unpredictable, how do we know what’s ours to do?

In this episode, Tim and Tues reflect on recent conversations with Zaid Hassan and Sommer Sibilly-Brown - two leaders taking bold, values-driven action in complex times. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and doubt, the limits of strategy in a rapidly changing world, and why action - not perfection - is what moves things forward.

From climate anxiety to leadership fatigue, this conversation doesn’t shy away from the weight of the moment. But it also offers something grounding: a reminder that we don’t need all the answers to begin. Sometimes, it’s about trusting what’s clear, noticing what’s habitual, and doing the next right thing in front of us.

Resources:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com
• Meet Zaid Hassan
• Listen to the episode with Zaid
• Meet Sommer Sibilly-Brown
• Listen to the episode with Sommer
• Neil deGrasse Tyson – Host of Cosmos
• Carl Sagan
• Billy Bragg
• Tony Ben & Roy Bailey – “The Winter Turns to Spring"
• Lucas Jones
• Join Tim on Instagram
• Check out The Outside’s Berkana Two Loops of Systems Change online course

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In this thought-provoking cross-post conversation, Tuesday sits down with Daniela Papi-Thornton to explore what happens when systems change, leadership, and the sacred feminine collide. Together, they question traditional leadership models that privilege logic over intuition and control over connection - and examine why personal transformation is inseparable from the systemic change our world is calling for. Drawing on her work in education and social innovation, Daniela invites listeners to rethink leadership, reconnect with inner wisdom, and remember that meaningful change starts from within.

Resources:

• Meet Daniela Papi Thornton
• Visit Daniela on Substack
• Systems. Change. Educators. Unite.
• Systems-led Leadership
• Unstuck Club
• Positive Deviants Cohort

• Learn more about Shared Work
• Donella Meadows - “Leverage Points: Places to Intervene in a System”

Practices that Daniela is leaving you with:

1. Find a place (hallway, walk between your house and car) and allow that to become your alignment space. Every time you walk that space, allow yourself to realign.
2. Ask for help and trust that it is there.

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What does it mean to stay grounded in a time of global uncertainty?

In this conversation, Tim and Tuesday sit down with Sommer Sibilly-Brown of the Virgin Islands Good Food Coalition to explore community, regulation, anger, responsibility, and the work of building the world we want to live in.

From food sovereignty in the Caribbean to the importance of our “root systems,” this episode is a powerful reflection on what it takes to stay human - and hopeful - when systems around us are shifting. Listen now.

Resources

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com
• Meet Sommer Sibilly-Brown
• Virgin Islands Good Foods Coalition
• St. Croix Agrifest 2026
• Find The Outside: The Podcast - 6.03: Outside Conversations with Deanna James - Doing philanthropy differently
• St. Croix Foundation for Community Development
• Check out The Outside’s Berkana Two Loops of Systems Change online course

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What does it really mean to evolve — as individuals, communities, and societies?

In this thoughtful and timely conversation, Tim reconnects with longtime collaborator and systems thinker Zaid Hassan to explore his new book, How to Evolve and How Not To.

Drawing on 25 years of work tackling complex global challenges - from climate negotiations inside the UN COP process to launching a decentralized global climate initiative during COVID - Zaid reflects on why so many change efforts fail and what real practice actually looks like.

Together, Tim and Zaid explore the courage it takes to see reality clearly, the difference between technical fixes and adaptive change, and why agency matters more than ever in a world that can feel overwhelming. At its heart, this episode is about culture as a collection of choices - and what happens when we begin to understand the evolutionary consequences of the decisions we make every day.

Zaid will be on a global book tour this fall, including Halifax, Nova Scotia in October. Woo. Woo.

Resources:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com

• Meet Zaid Hassan
• ten in ten
• Book: “The Social Labs Revolution: A New Approach to Solving our Most Complex Challenges,” by Zaid Hassan
• Zaid’s New Book: “How to Evolve And How Not To” (Peakrill Press, 2026)
• Join Zaid on his upcoming book tour!
• Read articles from Zaid on Substack

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On today’s episode, Tim and Tuesday reflect on two recent conversations with Meg Buzzi and Chris Keevil and follow the threads that emerged long after the recording stopped. What unfolds is a wide-ranging, deeply human dialogue about courage, leadership, imagination, and how we decide what really matters in turbulent times.

They explore the tension between reflection and action, the false choice between staying informed and staying well, and what it means to make a “true move” when certainty is impossible. Along the way, they consider the role of escapism, joy, embodiment, and imagination - not as avoidance, but as essential capacities for resilience, empathy, and meaningful action.

This episode is an invitation to question whose reality we are centering, to resist being hijacked by fear or outrage, and to remember that tending to what gives life and meaning is not separate from changing the world - it’s foundational to it.

RESOURCES:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com

• Meet Meg Buzzi
• Read Meg’s new book, “The In-Between”
• Learn about Meg’s company - fixchr

• Meet Chris Keevil
• Canoe Kayak Canada
• Dee Hock, Chaordic Organizations
• Sandpiper Ventures

• Oliver Burkeman – Author of Four Thousand Weeks
• Arawana Hayashi, Founder of Social Presencing Theater
• Dr. Martin Shaw, Mythologist and Storyteller
• Lucas Jones, Author of I Still Believe in Miracles

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What gives you goosebumps when the world feels uncertain?

On today’s episode, Tuesday and Tim welcome back Meg Buzzi for a wide-ranging conversation about wakefulness, collective power, and staying engaged in times of rapid change.

From large volunteer-run movements to housing co-ops and political organizing, the conversation explores how participation, urgency, and agency come together at scale.

The trio reflects on moments that spark goosebumps: communities turning toward one another, joy as a form of resistance, and collective imagination as a way to rehearse more just futures. Along the way, they touch on belonging to land, diaspora, leadership, and why enthusiasm and presence may be some of the most powerful forces we have right now.

This episode is an invitation to notice what makes you feel alive - and to trust that those moments matter.

RESOURCES:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com

• Meet Meg Buzzi
• Read Meg’s new book, “The In-Between”
• Learn about Meg’s company - fixchr

• Loomio
• Esther Perel
• Neil deGrasse Tyson’s Cosmos
• Václav Havel – “The power of the powerless”

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