How do you make one of the biggest sports documentaries of the year? In this episode of Frame By Frame, Daniel sits down with director Erik LeDrew and editor Kevin Barth, the creative minds behind HBO’s Alex vs. A-Rod.

They break down the entire storytelling journey—from early brainstorming sessions and gaining Alex Rodriguez’s trust, to the emotional Colorado shoot that became the heart of the series, to spending 88 weeks in the edit shaping one of the most vulnerable portraits of A-Rod ever shown on screen.

This conversation goes deep into the director–editor relationship, how to collaborate under pressure, why certain scenes almost didn’t make the cut, and what it truly takes to build a multi-year documentary from scratch
If you love filmmaking, storytelling, sports docs, or the craft behind documentaries, this episode is packed with insight, honesty, and behind-the-scenes stories you won’t hear anywhere else.

00:00 – Intro

Daniel sets up the episode and introduces Erik & Kevin.

02:00 – How Erik & Kevin First Connected

Their creative partnership and early projects that shaped their process.

08:30 – Origin of the Alex vs. A-Rod Documentary

A-Rod’s blind spots, the initial pitch, and why this project mattered.
14:00 – Building Trust With A-Rod

How they got him comfortable enough to open up emotionally.

20:00 – Developing the Structure & Tone

The “writer’s room” process and mapping out the psychological heart of the story.

27:00 – Editing a Multi-Year Documentary

Finding rhythm, musicality, pacing, and what gets left on the cutting room floor.

33:00 – The Colorado Shoot

The make-or-break moment of the doc—and why it almost didn’t work.

45:00 – Balancing Objectivity & Collaboration With A-Rod

Navigating notes, integrity, and the fine line between access and honesty.

52:00 – Working With HBO

Why HBO was the ideal partner and how their feedback elevated the project.

58:00 – Storytelling Lessons & Advice for Filmmakers

Erik and Kevin share what they’ve learned across their careers.

1:05:00 – The Frame They’re Most Proud Of

A powerful closing reflection on their favorite moments in the film
1:10:00 – Closing Thoughts

Daniel wraps the conversation and previews what’s next.

What does it take to film Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Andy Reid, and the Kansas City Chiefs from the inside? Emmy-winning director Kristen Lappas takes us behind the scenes of The Kingdom, the new Disney+ and ESPN documentary series on the Chiefs dynasty.

In this episode of Frame By Frame, Kristen shares how she earned the trust of Mahomes, Kelce, and Coach Andy Reid, what it was like to direct the Chiefs through a historic season, and how she built one of the biggest NFL docuseries of all time. From underground bunkers of Chiefs history to emotional family moments, this is the story behind The Kingdom.

If you’re a Kansas City Chiefs fan, a filmmaker, or just curious about how sports documentaries are made, this is a must-watch.

⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 – Intro: Kristen Lappas on The Kingdom
01:18 – How the Chiefs project came together
03:13 – Building trust with Andy Reid & the players
06:06 – Filming Mahomes up close (and a Super Bowl haircut)
08:13 – Structuring a dynasty story: themes & arcs
11:10 – The art of pitching: how Kristen sold The Kingdom
14:38 – Balancing honesty vs. PR when partnering with teams
18:56 – Surprising storylines that shaped the series
21:26 – Discovering the Chiefs’ underground archive bunker
25:36 – Making The Kingdom appeal beyond football fans
27:07 – Handling Taylor Swift’s presence in the story
29:00 – Premiering The Kingdom in Kansas City
31:21 – Creative swings: directing the Giannis documentary
36:49 – Lessons from working with superstars (Mahomes, Giannis, Caitlin Clark)
39:07 – Kristen’s career break: the story of Arthur
43:49 – Advice for young filmmakers & pitching stories
45:09 – Balancing filmmaking with motherhood
47:49 – Kristen’s advice for first-time feature directors
50:24 – What’s next for Kristen Lappas
51:25 – Mentors, influences, and finding your voice
54:51 – Lessons from The Kingdom & Andy Reid’s “Don’t Judge” card

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After a short break, I’m back — and with big news.

In this episode of Frame by Frame, I’m announcing my first feature documentary: 12 — the untold story of how the city of Seattle came together in the 1990s to stop the Seahawks from relocating to Los Angeles.
Backed by Marshawn Lynch, Beast Mode Productions, and Victory Sports Media, this project is the biggest opportunity of my directing career so far. I break down the inspiration behind the film, how it came together behind the scenes, and what I’ve learned so far stepping into the role of feature documentary director.

We talk:

Why this story matters — and why it almost got lost

The origin of 12 and the team behind it

What it takes to make a doc at this scale

Finding the heart of a story that changed a city

Balancing creative work, parenting, and small business life

If you’re a filmmaker, storyteller, or just someone who loves underdog sports stories, this episode is for you.

🎧 Subscribe to Frame by Frame for more behind-the-scenes episodes as I bring this documentary to life — one frame at a time.

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