In this episode the Bonnies continue their discussion of sleep and what they learned after our previous conversation about CBT-I for insomnia. They review core sleep as including REM and deep sleep, and note that adults are generally still recommended to get seven to nine hours of sleep.

They talk about how people often become anxious about not sleeping well and start catastrophizing about the next day. They each share their own recent experiences of getting too little sleep, including waking early, getting out of bed instead of lying awake, and finding that they could still function and work through the day.

The two then discuss how tiredness can sometimes change our mood and behavior in unexpected ways. BZE describes being more patient with ourselves, lowering our standards a little, and becoming calmer or more reflective when we are exhausted. They also mention that being tired can sometimes reduce anxiety and interrupt hypervigilance.

The episodes wraps up by turning to the idea of joy and a book BZE recently started reading, Joyful Anyway by Kate Bowler. They talk about how difficult things and joy can exist at the same time, and how important it is to notice access to joy in daily life, even when the world feels overwhelming.

HIGHLIGHTS:

0:39 Core Sleep Explained

3:55 Rethinking a Bad Night

8:02 Flow and Self-Compassion

12:24 Finding Joy Anyway

16:30 Lightness After Darkness

mentioned in this episode:

Joyful Anyway by Kate Bowler: https://a.co/d/05ornj2P

Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav: https://a.co/d/0hlFqvLh

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