I find out from Sophie what made her choose to become a driving instructor. She used to be a personal trainer but was tired of commuting into London from Watford everyday having chunks of the day with no clients plus working weekends so retrained as a driving instructor.

If you thought taking your driving test was scary it's nothing to the training and tests needed to become an instructor. It may well explain why we have a lack driving instructors and such long waiting lists for lessons. Sophie (has a waiting list several months long) gives some great advice - if you're wanting to buy lessons for a 17th birthday look to book them months in advance.

We compare notes from when I learnt to drive (pre compulsory seat belts!) and now. Oh how I remember the pressures of hill starts, roundabouts and reversing around corners (that bit no longer in the test.

Sophie points out that you're never actually alone in a car until you pass your test as someone else is always driving you somewhere - no wonder that first drive on your own can be so daunting!

We chat about the lack or state of signage these days, use of sat navs, LED lights blinding you and reason why so many instructors won't teach in the dark now. We discuss possible new rules around eyetests etc. for 'older drivers and Sophie raises some interesting points about why it shouldn't be just for 'older' people.

She chats about the fears so many drivers have and where some of those fears originate - so be careful if you're the driver and have children or other non-drivers in the car what you say about other drivers!

Her Tuesday quiz each week with 'Tester Anne' on Instagram Stories is a great refresher on the highway code and makes me realise how much I had forgotten or has been added since I learnt to drive. (Look out for answers including Lloyd, her dog and not hard to guess which football team Sophie supports!)

Sophie is on social media @online_driving_instructor and YouTube @TheOnlineDrivingInstructor

I met Sarah over 12 years ago when we were both working on the Virgin Flying without Fear courses helping people overcome their fear of flying. We always said the most dangerous part of flying was getting to or from the airport. Turns out crossing the road on a crossing is FAR more dangerous and scary than flying!

Sarah is cabin crew for Virgin and whilst in LA was out getting her new 'lippy' before returning to the hotel to get her rest before her flight home.

She was on a crossing when she got hit by a car, the driver had glanced at her mobile phone and lost concentration for a split second. That 'split second' had a devastating impact on Sarah's life...

Sarah tells her story of the events as they unfolded. How she was more worried about her King's coronation tote bag, phone and flip flops as she lay on the road than her own injuries! Her relief at realising she had no head or spinal injuries and how everything else would be recoverable from. How she was reassured in the 'emergency room' at the hospital that she wouldn't have a 12 hour wait like in the NHS! Then her recovery was hit with other complications like a DVT plus a problem with her liver and heart that were discovered during her scans. Sarah shares how she focussed her mind on the positives and her recovery rather than what had actually happened.

The care and attention she recieved from so many people not least Virgin and her 'crew' family was an important part of her recovery. She just wanted to get home to where she felt safe but wasn't expecting to feel how she did once in her own home.

Over 2 years later Sarah has just done her first flight. She tells her story of her long recovery and the enormous knock-on effect it has had on all areas of her life and how she is still taking 'baby steps'.

Videos on social media of people filming themselves whilst driving and seeing drivers on their phones make her really, REALLY angry. A warning to us all about phones and driving! As she says, "DON"T DO IT!"

Apologies for some sound issues in this episode.

Following on from my chat with Janet in the preivous epiosode we decided there was a lot more to discuss on the topic of social media. We are keen to point out that we are giving our own viewpoints and experiences as we discuss the ins and outs of social media.

We both use social media and enjoy it but do question to what extent are we being manipulated in ways we're not aware of? Are we addicted?

Ever heard of 'Thirsty Thursday', 'Influencer pods', 'Shadow banning' for example? No me either! Janet enlightens me as we look at the darker side of social media that many of us use but won't even be aware exists that is manipulating us.

How do you know if someone is being authentic these days? Are they wanting to be 'your friend' or simply sell you something? How much do the algorithms shape our lives, what we do and think, our opinions?

And now enter a whole other level of manipulation - the world of AI...

We don't have the answer other than 'buyer beware!'