What happens when the spark fades — and does it have to? Award-winning psychologist, sex therapist, and author Dr. Cheryl Fraser has spent her career answering that question. As the creator of the Become Passion Online Immersion Couples Program and the host of the Sex, Love and Elephants podcast, she has helped thousands of couples break free from the slow drift into routine, reignite desire, and build passionate relationships that last a lifetime.

In this episode, Dr. Cheryl Fraser joins Sarah to share her signature Passion Triangle framework — three interconnected keys to lasting intimacy — and to have an honest, eye-opening conversation about what really happens to desire, pleasure, and connection as we age. From the surprising truth about sexless relationships to the science of spontaneous vs. responsive desire, from the physical realities of menopause to the transformative power of mindful touch and tantric sexuality, this conversation leaves nothing on the table.

Whether you've been partnered for decades or are navigating intimacy on your own terms, Dr. Cheryl's message is clear: your sensual life is your life force — and it's worth fighting for at every age.

(01:40) Why long-term love seems dead — and the key qualities that set great couples apart.

(05:21) The Passion Triangle: intimacy, thrill, and sensuality — and how to honestly rate yourself on each.

(12:24) The sexless relationship epidemic: what the data really says — and why libido is your life force.

(15:52) Spontaneous vs. responsive desire — the critical difference that changes everything after 50.

(18:32) Why scheduling sex is the most radical (and romantic) act of intimacy.

(21:06) A story of hope: how a couple reignited their marriage after 30 sexless years — at age 72.

(25:13) Menopause, desire, and the physical realities women are suffering through in silence.

(34:44) Mindful loving and tantric sexuality: the power of presence in the bedroom.

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When loss, stress, and exhaustion collided, entrepreneur and mother of five (soon to be six!) Chelsea Etheridge found herself feeling disconnected, depleted, and unsure of what was happening to her body. What began as a confusing mix of fatigue, brain fog, and mood changes led to a diagnosis of perimenopause — and ultimately sparked the creation of her wellness brand, Not Young, a supplement company designed to help women navigate hormonal changes with grace and energy.

In this inspiring conversation, Chelsea shares how she turned her family’s legacy in the supplement business into a modern, female-driven wellness brand that connects women who are often suffering in silence. She and Sarah dive deep into the lack of conversation around perimenopause, the symptoms that go far beyond hot flashes, and the emotional and physical isolation many women feel as they enter this new chapter.

Through research, courage, and community, Chelsea reclaimed her spark — and is helping others do the same. Her story is a reminder that aging doesn’t mean losing your vitality; it means redefining it on your own terms.

(01:09) Chelsea’s journey from family legacy to founding Not Young — how grief, stress, and health struggles led to purpose.

(05:29) Discovering perimenopause — and the surprising symptoms that aren’t often discussed.

(08:48) The loneliness women feel in midlife and how Not Young builds community for those navigating hormonal shifts.

(14:22) Libido, mood, weight gain, and brain fog — the real symptoms women face (and what actually helps).

(18:31) Inside Chelsea’s supplement formula: adaptogens, herbs, and vitamins that target the root cause of imbalance.

(23:41) Why women must take agency over their health journey and stop suffering in silence.

(35:24) “Reclaiming your spark” — what it means to move forward with confidence, purpose, and joy.

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This episode is all about healing from the inside out. Sarah Kugelmann sits down with holistic nutritionist and cleanse expert Elissa Goodman, who shares her powerful journey of reversing Hodgkin’s lymphoma and transforming her health through food, mindset, and lifestyle changes. From her early struggles with chronic illness to becoming a sought-after wellness authority in Los Angeles, Elissa’s story is proof of the body’s ability to heal when given the right tools.

Diving deeper into the conversation, Elissa opens up about the key pillars of vibrant health—quality sleep, balanced stress, movement, and clean, nutrient-rich food—and why self-love is just as essential as diet and supplements. She tackles everything from menopause and hormone replacement therapy to detoxing from environmental toxins, conquering sugar cravings, and protecting gut health. Her insights go beyond quick fixes, focusing instead on empowering women to tune in to their bodies, find balance, and age vibrantly.

Ultimately, Elissa offers a practical, compassionate roadmap for women over 45 who want to feel energized, confident, and in control of their health. Her approach blends science, holistic practices, and emotional wellbeing—helping listeners reconnect with themselves and create a lifestyle that supports longevity and joy.

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:

(01:10) Elissa’s Healing Journey: How she reversed Hodgkin’s lymphoma and rebuilt her health through holistic practices.

(07:59) The Body’s Power to Heal: Why sleep, stress balance, movement, and real food are the foundations of wellness.

(09:35) Menopause & Hormones: Elissa’s take on HRT, nutrient testing, and personalized supplement plans.

(15:04) Detoxing Daily: From hydration and pooping to sweating and reducing environmental toxins.

(26:57) Gut Health Reset: The key offenders causing bloating—and simple swaps that work without deprivation.

(30:16) Self-Love as Medicine: How embracing your imperfections can transform your health and happiness.

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