In this deeply personal episode of Goodbye Guilt and Shame, hosts Jess Layne and Autumn Smith expand the conversation around abortion and church culture by exploring a perspective that is rarely discussed — the experience of men and fathers impacted by abortion.

Joined by special guest Daniel Layne, Jess’s husband, this conversation dives into the realities of silence, trauma, guilt, healing, and faith from a male perspective. Dan vulnerably shares how abortion affected him as a teenage father, the cultural messages that shaped his understanding at the time, and how healing came years later through faith, community, and honest conversations.

Together, Jess, Autumn, and Dan discuss:

• How abortion impacts more than one person
• The silence many men carry for decades
• The role church culture plays in healing or hiding pain
• Trauma, shame, and delayed healing
• Why fathers often feel excluded from the conversation
• The importance of education, identity, and discipleship for young men
• How churches can create safer spaces for healing and restoration

This episode is honest, emotional, and full of hope for anyone carrying hidden grief connected to abortion. Healing is possible — even years later.

• Restored Nation
• Unraveled Roots Support Groups
• Healing a Father’s Heart (Now called Reclaiming Fatherhood, by Care-net)
• Keys to Hope and Healing

Do you have a question for Jess or Autumn: Ask@restorednation.org

If this episode impacted you, share it with someone who may need to hear that they are not alone.

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In this powerful fourth episode of our No More Whispering: Abortion and Church Culture mini-series, Jess and Autumn sit down with Pastor Dr. Bryan “Dav” Davenport to talk about something that quietly shapes church culture more than we realize—the pulpit.

What is said (and not said) from the pulpit deeply impacts how people experience belonging, forgiveness, and healing—especially around topics like abortion.

Together, we explore:

• Why abortion has historically gone unspoken in many churches
• How silence can unintentionally reinforce shame
• The tension between honoring privacy and addressing truth
• What it looks like to speak about abortion pastorally, not just positionally
• How Jesus modeled both truth and compassion in moments of deep shame

Dr. Dav brings decades of pastoral insight and offers a perspective that is both grounded in Scripture and deeply compassionate. This conversation is honest, thoughtful, and necessary.

“What is kept in secret is kept in shame.” Dr. Dav

In this mini series, we explore where abortion shows up in the Church and where it doesn’t. Are pastors talking about it? Are leaders equipped? How is the sanctity of life communicated without shame or condemnation? We’re not here to argue. We’re here to ask how.

How do we create churches where women, men, teenagers, single parents, grandparents, and families feel safe enough to say the word “abortion”?

How do we become a culture that shows up before, during, and after crisis? Because she’s not “out there.” She’s sitting in the pew.

We’re beginning a brand new mini-series: No More Whispering: Abortion and Church Culture.

In this opening episode, Jess and Autumn set the foundation for a conversation the Church can no longer avoid.

This isn’t political. It’s pastoral.

If abortion has been reduced to silence, stigma, or a single Sunday message, we believe it’s time for something better. Because abortion isn’t just an issue—it’s part of real people’s stories. And many of those people are sitting in our churches every week.

Together, we explore:

1. What “sanctity of life” really means (beyond a phrase)
2. Why silence in the Church is more harmful than we think
3. What it looks like to create a culture where people feel safe to be honest
4. And how we begin building churches marked by both truth and compassion

If abortion is part of your story—you are not alone, and you are not beyond healing.

restorednation.org has resources to help you or can find some in your area.

These are tangible ways churches can begin shifting culture:

• Celebrate Pregnancy Publicly

1. Example: Baby shower tables for every pregnant woman
2. Removes shame and replaces it with support

• Partner with Pregnancy Resource Centers

1. Know your local resources
2. Actively support and engage with them

• Name Abortion + Offer Healing Pathways

1. Put resources on your website
2. Normalize that healing is available
3. You don’t have to run the program—just make access clear

1. Share this episode with a friend or small group
2. Start a conversation in your church
3. Follow the podcast so you don’t miss the next episode
4. Leave a review to help more people find this conversation

In this special wrap-up episode of our Unmasking the Myths Inside Pregnancy Resource Centers mini-series, we sit down together for a heartfelt and honest conversation reflecting on what we’ve learned, what surprised us, and what truths have emerged through this series.

We revisit some of the most common myths surrounding pregnancy resource centers (PRCs), compare statistics and real impact, and share personal insights into why this truth-telling matters so deeply. Together, we remind listeners that every life has value, every woman deserves support, and every family deserves hope.

This final episode isn’t just a summary—it’s an invitation to curiosity, compassion, and truth.

0:00-2:17 | Intro – Why did we did this mini-series

2:18-4:48 | What stood out most in these interviews

4:49-7:32 | Similarities across the board

7:33-11:23 | Unique differences between the centers

11:24-13:15 | Surprising Discoveries

13:16-14:24 | Sponsorship Break

Addressing the Myth’s Head-On

14:25-17:42 | Myth #1 “PRC’s manipulate or coerce women.”

16:24-17:10 When a cost is attached, sales is present

17:43-22:31 | Myth #2 “PRC’s aren’t medical and give fake information.”

22:32-24:35 | Myth #3 “PRC’s only care about the baby, not the mother.”

24:36-27:15 | Myth #4 “PRC’s only help Christians.”

27:16-30:02 | Myth #5 “ Abortion’s are quick and easy, PRC’s just get in the way

27:28-28:21 A piece of Jess’ story

Statistics on PRC’s and Abortion Clinics

30:03-35:47 | PRC vs. Abortion clinic stats – Did you know?

35:48-37:25 | Personal Reflections: Why Co-host this mini-series?

37:26-39:09 | Connecting PRC Truth to our own stories

39:10-41:54 | Hope for our listeners

41:55-42:37 | Invitation for our Listeners

We’d love to hear from you!

💌 Email us your thoughts or questions at ask@restorednation.org

42:38-44:32 | Final Outro

💗 Connect & Support

Restored Nation:

🌐 www.restorednation.org

💌 ask@restorednation.org

Join a Post-Abortive or Miscarriage Grief Group → restorednation.org/groups

Want to Get Involved?

Visit or volunteer at your local Pregnancy Resource Center.

Pray. Donate. Share their stories. Help spread truth that restores.

Unmasking the Myths: Inside Pregnancy Resource Centers offers an illuminating exploration into the often misunderstood realm of pregnancy resource centers, particularly as it pertains to the urgent needs of individuals facing unplanned pregnancies.

In this episode, Autumn and Jess engage in a profound dialogue with Brittany Gilchrist, RN, from Infinite Worth, who elucidates the pivotal role these 24/7 front line RN's play in providing compassionate support and accurate information.

Our discussion aims to dismantle prevalent misconceptions while emphasizing the importance of understanding the real experiences of those who seek assistance. We delve into the multifaceted challenges faced by these clients, thereby shedding light on the critical need for informed decision-making in the face of societal pressures.

Join us as we endeavor to bring truth to light and foster a narrative that respects the dignity and worth of every life.

**Timestamps:**

- 0:00 - Introduction

- 1:27 - Brittany Gilchrist journey

- 12:30 - A New Beginning: Embracing change & advocacy

- 14:37 - The launch and mission of Infinite Worth

- 25:54 - Understanding client needs & vulnerabilities

- 32:50 - Connecting with Pregnancy Resource Centers

- 36:56 - The urgency in decision-making in crisis situation

- 48:02 - The role of the church in supporting women facing unplanned pregnancies

- 54:09 - Closing thoughts and encouragement

Here are some ways viewers can contact Infinite Worth:

Brittany Gilchrist, RN

National Nurse Manager

brittany@infiniteworth.org

To learn more about Infinite Worth, please visit [infiniteworth.org](http://infiniteworth.org)

For more information on their Prayer Warrior program, please click here: [Prayer Warrior Program]

In this episode, we sit with Kimberli Swenson the Executive Director of Pathways Clinic to uncover the ways in which they serve women and families in Washougal, Washington and all of Clark County. We get to know more about how this center provides compassionate care and empowerment rather than coercion during vulnerable moments in individuals' lives. The discussion dismantles prevalent myths surrounding these organizations, emphasizing their commitment to truth and support without judgment. We also explore the diverse services offered by Pathways, ranging from medical assistance to material support for families, illustrating their holistic approach to care. This episode serves as clarify and awareness, encouraging listeners to recognize the invaluable resources available to women facing pregnancy-related challenges.

0:00-0:44 Intro to Goodbye Guilt & Shame

0:45-1:21 Intro to Kimberli & Pathways Clinic

1:22-1:45 Share this episode

1:46-2:24 Why are we doing this episode and mini-series; Unmasking the Myths inside Pregnancy Resource Centers

2:25-3:26 Who is Kimberli?

3:27-4:21 How and why was Pathways Clinic founded?

4:22-5:18 What is the mission or heartbeat behind what Kimberli does?

5:19-5:41 People forget that pregnancy affects everyone in a family and community/village and Pathways wants to come alongside

5:42-6:43 What type of individuals work and volunteer at Pathways clinic?

6:44-7:34 What type of medical professionals does Pathways Clinic have on their team?

7:35-9:39 What specific services does this medical clinic offer to women?

9:40-11:21 Do you provide services for fathers or other family members?

11:22-14:18 What kind of resources does Pathways offer after a baby is born?

14:19-19:25 Debunking the myth: PRC’s use manipulation and coercion, what is Kimberli’s response?

19:26-20:21 Does someone have to be of the Christian faith in order to receive care at Pathways Clinics?

20:22-22:50 Kimberli shares a story about the impact that Pathways has had on the community whose life was changed through their center?

22:51-25:48 What are some misconceptions that we haven’t touched on?

25:49-28:06 How can someone support Pathways Clinic?

28:07-30:04 What gives Kimberli hope to do the work day after day?

30:05-30:20 Outro, grateful for Kimberli’s time

30:21-32:27 Outro for Goodbye Guilt and Shame & Pathways Clinic

We’re praising God for the ways He’s blessing Pathways Clinic—from storage units filled with baby supplies and material resources, to the exciting launch of a new fatherhood program that is in the works. Pathways continues to be a place of advocacy, respect, and care for women and parents.

We’re thankful for their partnership with Restored Nation in offering support groups for those who have experienced abortion or miscarriage.

Pathways Clinic:

Email: Kimberli@pathwaysclinic.care

Website: https://pathwaysclinic.care/

Feel lead to donate, volunteer or become a prayer partner with Pathways? Visit https://pathwayspartners.care/

Restored Nation:

Email: ask@restorednation.org

Website: https://www.restorednation.org/

Sign up for Post Abortive Group Care or Miscarriage Grief Groups at https://www.restorednation.org/groups