Professor Roger Kerry joins the podcast to unpack one of the most debated topics in musculoskeletal care: the risks and benefits of manual therapy for people with head and neck pain.

Roger is the lead for the physiotherapy program at the University of Nottingham, an interprofessional curriculum designer, researcher, PhD supervisor, and author of the new textbook The Head & Neck: Theory & Practice. His AAOMPT keynote focuses on cutting through decades of misinformation and helping clinicians understand what the evidence actually says.

• Cervical manual therapy: what’s risky, what’s not, and what’s misunderstood

• Why head & neck pain is still surrounded by outdated ideas

• The problem with the way we teach manual therapy

• How educators can break restrictive traditions

• What emerging PhD work is revealing about the future of physical therapy

• Roger’s personal journey from failed rehab patient → world-class academic

This episode is essential listening for anyone who treats neck pain or teaches manual therapy.

In this episode of the Hands-On, Hands-Off Podcast, Dr. Trenton Rehman sits down with Dr. Shane McClinton to discuss plantar heel pain and the role of physical therapy in both clinical outcomes and healthcare costs.

Dr. McClinton walks through a series of studies stemming from his doctoral research, including a randomized clinical trial, a detailed case series, and a three-year cost-effectiveness analysis. Together, they explore how adding physical therapy to usual podiatry care impacts pain, function, quality of life, and long-term costs.

Key themes include manual therapy, impairment-based exercise, proximal contributions to heel pain, interdisciplinary collaboration, and why plantar heel pain may deserve the same clinical mindset as low back pain.

Key Takeaways (Listener-Facing)

Plantar heel pain is a multidimensional condition with local and proximal contributors.

Adding physical therapy to usual podiatry care improved outcomes and reduced costs over three years.

Manual therapy and exercise were delivered pragmatically and tailored to impairments.

Strengthening may be underutilized in plantar heel pain management.

Collaboration between physical therapists and podiatrists benefits patients and reduces downstream burden.

⏱️ TIMESTAMPED CHAPTERS (YouTube + Podcast)

00:00 – Introduction to the episode and guest

00:01 – Dr. Shane McClinton’s background and research focus

00:03 – Why plantar heel pain referrals to PT are low

00:07 – Rationale for studying cost-effectiveness

00:10 – Study design overview (RCT + pragmatic approach)

00:15 – Description of podiatry-only vs podiatry + PT care

00:17 – Inclusion and exclusion criteria

00:22 – Case series: why eight different heel pain presentations

00:26 – Manual therapy strategies used in the study

00:30 – Clinical practice guidelines and decision-making

00:32 – Pain mechanisms, education, and chronicity

00:35 – Proximal vs local treatment decisions

00:38 – Three-year cost-effectiveness results explained

00:44 – Implications for referrals and collaboration

00:48 – Final take-home message from Dr. McClinton

Andreas Remis joins the podcast to unpack low back pain in a way that finally makes sense — bridging APTA CPG classifications, real-world clinical diagnosis, and the confusing world of radiographic findings.

As faculty across multiple fellowships and residencies within the Duke Health System — and an educator shaped by his own poor rehab experience as a patient — Andreas brings a thoughtful, grounded approach to one of PT’s most complex conditions.

• LBP classification: CPG vs imaging vs clinical reasoning

• How expert clinicians simplify diagnosis

• Why radiographs often mislead clinicians and patients

• The turning point when PTs begin to feel “value-confident”

• Teaching LBP across OMPT pipelines

• Lessons Andreas learned from being a failed patient

It’s a must-listen episode for clinicians, residents, and fellows treating low back pain.