In this episode, Shreya sits down with another Shreya from Human World for Animals to answer one question: what does real transformation in India actually look like when it is not just individual choices, but institutions changing at scale. The conversation hits a nerve fast, calling out the story India tells itself about being naturally kind to animals, and the reality of how cruelty has been normalized in everyday life, from food systems to what society accepts on the street. It also challenges the comfort myth that dairy and “local, ethical” consumption is harmless, and pulls the curtain back on what industrial scale really means.This is not a good chat about “small swaps.” It is a systems conversation about why cruelty is profitable, why higher welfare is still not cruelty free, and why the biggest wins come from changing procurement and policy inside universities, hospitals, corporate cafeterias, and government frameworks. There is a hard take on Indian vegetarianism too: lower meat consumption does not equal lower harm when most eggs and animal products are coming from intensive confinement systems, and when labels carry social baggage that pushes people away from the actual goal. The core theme stays consistent: facts, science, and empathy, without hiding behind tradition.Then it gets practical. Shreya shares how Human World for Animals works with institutions end to end, how they measure impact, and why climate and health messaging often opens doors faster than ethical arguments. She also talks about their Humane Entrepreneurship Program, built to help founders replace animals in food, materials, and testing, and drops a simple rule that every startup needs: Shipping Fridays, ship something every week, test it on the ground, and let real feedback guide the product instead of hype. If building a future where animals, people, and the planet are part of the same story matters, this episode will leave no room for denial, and give a real map for what change can look like in India.Timestamps- (0:00 - 3:50) Humane World for Animal’s Mission (3:50 - 6:33) Individual Suffering Explained(6:33 - 10:58) Profit Makes Cruelty Normal(10:58 - 18:44) Institutions Drive Real Change(18:44 - 23:52) Vegetarianism And Indian Reality(23:52 - 32:29) Messaging Science Over Belief(32:29 - 37:54) Cultural Blindness To Cruelty(37:54 - 41:32) Humane Entrepreneurship Solutions(41:32 - 51:39) Policy Ethics And ActionWhere bold ideas meet brewed conversations. ☕ Sustainable Tea with Shreya is India’s biggest sustainability podcast, hosted by climate communicator and plant based lifestyle advocate Shreya Ghodawat. In each episode, we sit down with change makers across the globe, think climate scientists, clean-tech innovators, chefs, ethical fashion founders, indigenous leaders, and more, talking about everything that matters in a bid to live better. This is a space for curious minds and conscious conversations. For people who care, question, and want to understand what sustainability looks like in the real world, from policy to personal choices. If you're done with surface-level conversations and want to hear us spill the tea on how everyday choices connect to change the impact. Pull up a chair, sip on your favourite brew, and explore insights that move the needle