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Humans in the Loop

Humans in the Loop

Written by: Seb Agertoft
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A podcast for thoughtful technologists. Seb Agertoft - Coach to tech company founders and leadership teams - interviews founders, technologists, artists, investors, thought leaders and policymakers wrestling with the tough questions at the forefront of emergent tech like AI, quantum computing, renewable energy, web3, blockchain, robotics and autonomous vehicles. Not just can we build it, but how to build tech with human interests at heart. Get in touch at www.theuncommonfounder.comSeb Agertoft
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  • The Chinese Tech Economy | Selina Xu - AI & China Researcher
    May 5 2026

    China is shaping the world.In direct ways, like innovation, foreign policy, investment.And indirectly, by provoking a response from countries such as the US who see it as a competitor.China's transformation into one of the world's superpowers is the most remarkable transformation of a single country in the history of the world.And yet it's still poorly understood (including by me).Selina Xu is a writer, researcher and AI & China policy lead in the office of former Google CEO, Eric Schmidt and is here to shed light on China and its technology industry, dispelling some myths along the way.Where else you can listen:

    Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4BbslJR0KA5bfqrcYRhJER?si=d0edc1049eac4f39

    Apple podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humans-in-the-loop/id1831285114Or wherever you get your podcasts!

    Chapters

    00:00 The Evolution of China's Tech Industry

    03:38 Debunking the Copycat Narrative

    06:16 The Role of the State in Innovation

    09:51 Xi Jinping's Vision for Technology

    12:44 The Return of Jack Ma

    15:35 China's Perspective on Global Competition

    19:28 Defining Winning in the Superpower Race

    22:40 China's Unique Approach to Technology Deployment

    26:50 The Role of the State in AI Development

    30:03 DeepSeek and the Evolution of Chinese AI

    34:19 Agentic AI: Trends and Trajectories

    36:57 Emerging Frontiers in AI Research

    40:12 Infrastructure and Support for Tech Industries

    43:44 Geopolitical Implications of Taiwan and Semiconductors

    46:03 Cultural Perspectives on China and Tech

    48:53 Optimistic Visions for the Future of AILinks:

    Selina's website

    China's AI+ initiative

    Involution

    Suspension of ANT's IPO

    Common prosperity

    Deepseek moment

    Chin AI substack - Jeffrey Ding

    Get in touch

    Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/humansinthelooppod⁠

    Email: ⁠seb@theuncommonfounder.com⁠

    Website: ⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com

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    51 mins
  • Zen Master Henry Shukman on tech & what it means to be human
    Mar 24 2026

    Henry Shukman is a Zen Master, a meditation teacher, and co-founder of The Way meditation app.As AI poses some hard questions about what it means to be human, I thought Henry might help make some sense of things.


    Chapters

    00:00 Understanding Zen: A Personal Journey

    03:52 The Need for Spirituality: A Personal Crisis

    10:07 Living Zen in the Modern World

    13:36 Navigating Modern Existence: Technology and Spirituality

    18:38 The Motivations Behind Meditation

    23:15 Technology's Role in Meditation: The Way App

    32:06 Ambition and Spirituality: Finding Balance

    39:47 AI and the Nature of Consciousness

    45:04 Optimism for the Future: Meditation's Impact


    Links

    The Way App⁠ - https://www.thewayapp.com/


    Get in touch

    Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/humansinthelooppod⁠

    Email: ⁠seb@theuncommonfounder.com⁠

    Website: ⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com

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    48 mins
  • The Creative Process with Fuser Co-Founders Dalena Tran & Hirad Sab
    Mar 10 2026

    My guests today are artists, film makers, educators, technologists and founders of Fuser, a company building an AI workspace for creatives.

    With so much noise around what AI should or shouldn’t be used for, and where human creativity starts and ends, I wanted to get Dalena and Hirad on to talk more about the creative process in this technological moment.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Fuser and Its Founders

    03:40 The Vision Behind Fuser

    06:12 Creative Applications of Fuser

    08:35 The Role of AI in Creative Processes

    11:24 Navigating the Challenges of AI in Art

    13:29 The Future of Creativity with AI

    15:48 Investor Relations and Company Integrity

    19:00 The Evolving Landscape of Art and Technology

    20:52 Conclusion and Future Aspirations


    Links

    Fuser

    Brand video


    Get in touch

    ⁠Instagram⁠

    ⁠⁠https://www.theuncommonfounder.com⁠

    seb@theuncommonfounder.com⁠

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    43 mins
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