Kelly opens up about her spiritual path and how vanity - the fear of not looking the way folks expect her to be - keeps her from sharing the depths of that with the world.

She’s been a life long seeker of esoteric knowledge, paths and walked many of them, and with the way the world is today, she just can’t compartmentalize herself anymore.

She hopes that by openly wrestling with this stuff here in her Ponderama, it will give her more freedom, but most importantly, make others feel less alone with their fear of displaying their Freak Flag high.

I mean, with the state of the world, what do we have to lose?

She mentions a few things she’s been geeking out about lately: the Gene Keys and Human Design.

And invites everyone to join her on January 31st. 2026 for a 1/2 day online event she’s hosting to discover What is Yours to Do? in these chaotic and fretful times.

She hopes that everyone knows that what ever is yours to do, that if it’s true to your soul, it’s what the world needs.

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In this month’s Ponderama, I dive into change. Leaping off from my last episode with Rich Logis conversation where we talked about what it takes to make a big scary change in our lives, I share a story from my life when I had to take a big leap.

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I am thrilled for you to learn more about my guest for this episode, Rich Logis, founder of the non-profit Leaving MAGA.

As you know, I am fascinated with change – individual and collective change.

What does it take to really change our direction in life? How do we learn to see the beliefs and sense of identity that keeps us from changing? How are we living into our values, what we truly find meaningful in life, when we change? Are our values preserved, refined or do they evolve? Why is it so hard to change?

And what happens in a life when you’ve made some choices that send you on a direction that ends up reshaping every area of your life to the point that some important parts of your life now feel alien to you, no longer feel safe and welcoming.

And so you silo those parts off, and live in a new world.

But then one day, you wake up to see that you’ve made an error, that you chose a path that is not what you thought it was, and that you need make a new choice.

But because you have reshaped your life and relationships so much, you are afraid to admit the mistake, and even more afraid that your old world has permanently moved on from you, rejected you, can no longer see you.

My guest today, Rich Logis is a man who has lived such a path the last ten years.

Rich was a devoted member of the MAGA nation for seven years, but eventually, due to a string of events and realizations came to see that he could no longer support the movement.

He founded a non-profit Leaving MAGA for those have left MAGA and desire community, those who want to empower others to leave, and for those filled with doubt and remorse about being a member of MAGA but are afraid to leave.

If you have friends or family that you’re struggling to speak with about politics, check out Rich’s community, Leaving MAGA, that is here to support you, and if you are someone who has quietly quit or are contemplating leaving MAGA, Rich has lots of resources for you.

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