Behind the Mic, Episode 3

In this final Behind the Mic bonus episode, we step back from the interviews of IPAA Insiders Season 1 to reflect on the stories, insights, and shared experiences that shaped the series.

Host Jo Rose is joined by Amy Mathai of NSW Treasury, and Megan Maletic, previous Lead Consulting Partner at Deloitte for the NSW Government and public services sector. Together, they explore what it really means to move between the private and public sectors, the mindset required to thrive in public service, and how curiosity, listening, and purpose can shape meaningful careers.

From navigating change and maintaining enthusiasm, to the power of storytelling and personal honesty, this conversation highlights the human side of public service work. Amy reflects on learning through challenge and growth, Megan shares insights on sustaining energy and seeking diverse perspectives, and Jo unpacks why origin stories matter so deeply in how we understand leadership and service.

This episode doesn’t offer a single roadmap. Instead, it invites reflection on learning, adaptability, and connection, and encourages more voices, especially frontline staff, to join the conversation in future seasons.

Whether you’re considering a transition into the public sector, thinking about how you grow and lead through change, or curious about stepping forward to share your story, this Behind the Mic episode offers thoughtful insights and a fitting close to Season 1, while setting the tone for what’s to come in Season 2.

SHOW CREDITS
Host: Jo Rose
Writers: Alessia Campagna, Nicola Hardy and Jo Rose
Producer and Editor: Alessia Campagna
Technical Producer: Anthony Watson
Executive Producers: Jo Rose and Nicola Hardy

Music Credits:
Let The Good Times Roll: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-roll
License code: DNAIHKYCKOUU6HBT

Enchanted Puzzle: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/andrey-rossi/enchanted-puzzle
License code: YTN0OYX8RBDDUQ73

Easy Flow: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/hybridas/easy-flow
License code: R2FTWOYRCB7YOW21

Not That Easy: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/not-that-easy
License code: MYQOVXXWAFZULECH

On Tiptoes: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/on-tiptoes

We would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which the podcast is taking place today. We pay our deep respects to all Elders past, present and emerging. We would also like to extend that respect to any Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples listening today.

Behind the Mic, Episode 2

In this second Behind the Mic bonus episode, we take a deeper look at some of the big themes explored in IPAA Insiders Season 1, with a focus on leadership, purpose, and the role of diversity in strengthening the public service.

Host Jo Rose is joined by Public Service Commissioner Kathrina Lo and Megan Maletic, previous Lead Consulting Partner at Deloitte for the NSW Government and public services sector. Together, they reflect on what effective leadership looks like in times of complexity, change, and fiscal constraint, and why inclusive, purpose led leadership is critical to delivering outcomes for the people of New South Wales.

The conversation explores how values such as integrity, service, and stewardship come to life in everyday leadership, regardless of role or seniority. Kathrina shares insights from her sector wide perspective, highlighting the importance of frank and fearless advice, building trust through relationships, and maintaining a clear focus on long term outcomes, not just immediate outputs.

Jo and Megan reflect on the importance of understanding the broader public sector ecosystem, staying curious about national and global trends, and drawing strength from diverse perspectives. The episode also highlights practical ways individuals can champion diversity and inclusion in their own spheres of influence, from recruitment and team culture to allyship and professional networks.

Whether you’re navigating change, aspiring to leadership, or thinking about how you contribute to a more inclusive and effective public service, this Behind the Mic episode offers thoughtful reflections and practical insights to support your journey.

SHOW CREDITS
Host: Jo Rose
Writers: Alessia Campagna, Nicola Hardy and Jo Rose
Producer and Editor: Alessia Campagna
Technical Producer: Anthony Watson
Executive Producers: Jo Rose and Nicola Hardy

Music Credits:
Let The Good Times Roll: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-roll
License code: DNAIHKYCKOUU6HBT

Enchanted Puzzle: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/andrey-rossi/enchanted-puzzle
License code: YTN0OYX8RBDDUQ73

Easy Flow: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/hybridas/easy-flow
License code: R2FTWOYRCB7YOW21

Not That Easy: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/not-that-easy
License code: MYQOVXXWAFZULECH

On Tiptoes: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/on-tiptoes

We would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which the podcast is taking place today. We pay our deep respects to all Elders past, present and emerging. We would also like to extend that respect to any Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples listening today.

Behind the Mic, Episode 1

In this first Behind the Mic bonus episode, we take listeners behind the scenes of IPAA Insiders Season 1, exploring why the podcast was created, how the conversations were shaped, and what resonated most strongly with the public sector community.

Host Jo Rose is joined by Megan Maletic, previous Lead Consulting Partner at Deloitte for the NSW Government and public services sector, and IPAA NSW President Mark Webb, alongside other Season 1 contributors. Together, they reflect on the intent behind the series, the value of sourcing questions directly from members, and the importance of creating space for diverse voices from across and beyond the public sector.

The conversation highlights key themes that emerged throughout the season, including transferable skills, solution focused thinking, leadership at every level, and navigating uncertainty with purpose and confidence. Jo and Mark also reflect on listener feedback, particularly from early and mid career public servants, and discuss what success looks like over the long arc of a public sector career.

The episode also looks ahead to Season 2, touching on emerging areas of interest such as future skills, trust in public institutions, psychological resilience, and the evolving relationship between technology and human centred work.

Rather than offering definitive answers, this episode reinforces the value of curiosity, connection, and collective learning. It captures the spirit of IPAA Insiders as a platform for sharing experience, celebrating diversity of thought, and supporting public servants at every stage of their career.

Whether you’re a long time listener or new to the series, this Behind the Mic episode provides context, reflection, and a strong foundation for the conversations still to come.

SHOW CREDITS
Host: Jo Rose
Writers: Alessia Campagna, Nicola Hardy and Jo Rose
Producer and Editor: Alessia Campagna
Technical Producer: Anthony Watson
Executive Producers: Jo Rose and Nicola Hardy

Music Credits:
Let The Good Times Roll: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-roll
License code: DNAIHKYCKOUU6HBT

Enchanted Puzzle: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/andrey-rossi/enchanted-puzzle
License code: YTN0OYX8RBDDUQ73

Easy Flow: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/hybridas/easy-flow
License code: R2FTWOYRCB7YOW21

Not That Easy: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/not-that-easy
License code: MYQOVXXWAFZULECH

On Tiptoes: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/on-tiptoes

We would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which the podcast is taking place today. We pay our deep respects to all Elders past, present and emerging. We would also like to extend that respect to any Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples listening today.

In this bonus mini-episode, we're hearing from Brooke Black and Sonia D'Ametto, who share the role of Executive Director of People Culture and Talent at the Premier’s Department.

They talk about how they got started, how they make the role work and share their advice for anyone thinking about job-share opportunities.

SHOW CREDITS
Host: Jo Rose
Writers: Alessia Campagna, Nicola Hardy and Jo Rose
Producer and Editor: Alessia Campagna
Technical Producer: Anthony Watson
Executive Producers: Jo Rose and Nicola Hardy

Music Credits:
Let The Good Times Roll: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-roll
License code: DNAIHKYCKOUU6HBT

Enchanted Puzzle: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/andrey-rossi/enchanted-puzzle
License code: YTN0OYX8RBDDUQ73

Easy Flow: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/hybridas/easy-flow
License code: R2FTWOYRCB7YOW21

Not That Easy: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/not-that-easy
License code: MYQOVXXWAFZULECH

On Tiptoes: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/on-tiptoes

We would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which the podcast is taking place today. We pay our deep respects to all Elders past, present and emerging. We would also like to extend that respect to any Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples listening today.

In this final episode of IPAA Insiders Season 1, we dive into a conversation that continues to spark curiosity, reflection, and action: Why is diversity across public sector roles so important?

You’ll hear perspectives from across the NSW public service, including IPAA NSW members and featured guests Gelina Talbot and Jane Spring, who bring deep experience and insight to this evolving conversation. From personal stories to policy-level thinking, their reflections underscore why diversity isn’t just a “nice to have”; it’s essential for fostering trust, driving innovation, and achieving better outcomes.

This episode doesn't aim to provide a single solution. Instead, it offers a range of lived experiences, reflections, and ideas, acknowledging that change takes time and intention.

Whether you’re thinking about how you hire, how you lead, or how you present yourself in your workplace, we hope this episode provides something to reflect on and a way to start the conversation in your own circles.

SHOW CREDITS
Host: Jo Rose
Writers: Alessia Campagna, Nicola Hardy and Jo Rose
Producer and Editor: Alessia Campagna
Technical Producer: Anthony Watson
Executive Producers: Jo Rose and Nicola Hardy

Music Credits:
Let The Good Times Roll: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-roll
License code: DNAIHKYCKOUU6HBT

Enchanted Puzzle: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/andrey-rossi/enchanted-puzzle
License code: YTN0OYX8RBDDUQ73

Easy Flow: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/hybridas/easy-flow
License code: R2FTWOYRCB7YOW21

Not That Easy: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/not-that-easy
License code: MYQOVXXWAFZULECH

On Tiptoes: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/on-tiptoes

We would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which the podcast is taking place today. We pay our deep respects to all Elders past, present and emerging. We would also like to extend that respect to any Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples listening today.

The public service is changing fast. From new technologies to different ways of working, it can feel overwhelming to keep up. So, how do you prepare for what's coming next?

IPAA Insiders Host Jo Rose sits down with two guests who've been thinking deeply about this challenge. They share practical ideas about staying relevant, embracing change, and finding opportunities to innovate from within government.

Key Insights

• Why the mindset you bring to work matters more than any specific skill
• How to create space for new ideas in your team or department
• What past waves of change can teach us about navigating the current moment
• Simple ways to start experimenting with emerging technologies
• Why curiosity beats expertise when it comes to preparing for the future

Guests
Megan Maletic - Partner at Deloitte Consulting and lead consulting partner for NSW Government. With a background spanning nursing, community health education, and senior public sector roles, Megan brings unique insights on transformation and change management in government.

Mark Webb - President of IPAA NSW and Chief Executive of Parliamentary Services. With an engineering and computer science background, Mark offers a historical perspective on technological change and practical advice for navigating emerging technologies.

Whether you're early in your career or a seasoned leader, this conversation offers actionable insights you can apply right away.

No overwhelming predictions - just honest talk about how to thrive in a changing workplace.

SHOW CREDITS
Host: Jo Rose
Writers: Alessia Campagna, Nicola Hardy and Jo Rose
Producer and Editor: Alessia Campagna
Technical Producer: Anthony Watson
Executive Producers: Jo Rose and Nicola Hardy

Music Credits:
Let The Good Times Roll: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-roll
License code: DNAIHKYCKOUU6HBT

Enchanted Puzzle: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/andrey-rossi/enchanted-puzzle
License code: YTN0OYX8RBDDUQ73

Easy Flow: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/hybridas/easy-flow
License code: R2FTWOYRCB7YOW21

Not That Easy: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/not-that-easy
License code: MYQOVXXWAFZULECH

On Tiptoes: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/on-tiptoes

We would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which the podcast is taking place today. We pay our deep respects to all Elders past, present and emerging. We would also like to extend that respect to any Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples listening today.

In this special episode of IPAA Insiders, host Jo Rose speaks with NSW Public Service Commissioner Kathrina Lo about her remarkable career and how she sees the evolving landscape of public service.

Key highlights from the episode:

• Career Journey: Kathrina shares how she started at the junior level of public service and rose to become Public Service Commissioner over a 31-year career.
• Mobility Matters: Insights into how lateral career moves helped her develop breadth and depth of experience, and why mobility can supercharge a public service career.
• Purpose-Driven Work: Why a strong sense of purpose and a desire to make a difference continue to drive her work in the public sector.
• Future-Readiness: Thoughts on how individuals can prepare for the changing world of work through lifelong learning and staying informed about global trends.
• Diversity and Inclusion: A personal and professional perspective on why representation in leadership matters, and what needs to change to achieve it.
• Breaking Barriers: Common obstacles to achieving diversity in the sector, and how leaders can take real action to create inclusive, high-performing teams.
• Call to Action: Why young professionals shouldn't wait to "see it" before they believe they can be it, and how everyone has a role in shaping the future of the public service.

This episode is a must-listen if you're interested in authentic leadership, creating positive change, and growing your career in the public sector.

SHOW CREDITS
Host: Jo Rose
Writers: Alessia Campagna, Nicola Hardy and Jo Rose
Producer and Editor: Alessia Campagna
Technical Producer: Anthony Watson
Executive Producers: Jo Rose and Nicola Hardy

Music Credits:
Let The Good Times Roll: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-roll
License code: DNAIHKYCKOUU6HBT

Enchanted Puzzle: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/andrey-rossi/enchanted-puzzle
License code: YTN0OYX8RBDDUQ73

Easy Flow: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/hybridas/easy-flow
License code: R2FTWOYRCB7YOW21

Not That Easy: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/not-that-easy
License code: MYQOVXXWAFZULECH

On Tiptoes: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/on-tiptoes

We would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which the podcast is taking place today. We pay our deep respects to all Elders past, present and emerging. We would also like to extend that respect to any Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples listening today.

Welcome back to IPAA Insiders!—your go-to guide for navigating and excelling in your public sector career. Each episode tackles your pressing questions, offering actionable insights from seasoned professionals within and beyond the sector.

Episode Highlight:

In this fifth episode, Jo Rose, CEO of IPAA NSW, explores the topic of mobility in the public service with three expert guests:

• Kath Hume – Workforce Planning Specialist
• Mark Webb – Senior Public Sector Leader and President of IPAA NSW
• Alison Morgan – Executive Director, NSW Premier’s Department

Together, they share valuable perspectives on how career mobility can benefit both individuals and organisations. Whether it’s taking on new challenges, expanding your skill set, or positioning yourself for leadership opportunities, this episode uncovers the advantages of embracing movement within the sector.

Key Takeaways:

• Understanding Mobility: Learn what mobility means in the public service and how it can enhance career growth.
• Workforce Planning’s Role: Kath Hume explains how strategic workforce planning ensures the right people are in the right roles at the right time.
• Two Career Pathways: Mark Webb breaks down the difference between "deep" and "broad" career trajectories in the public sector and how mobility benefits both.
• The Value of Sideways Moves: Alison Morgan shares her experience of building a diverse skill set through strategic lateral career moves.
• Practical Strategies: Get tips on identifying opportunities, building a strong case for mobility, and making career transitions smoother.

Whether you’re considering a move within your department, across agencies, or into a different role entirely, this episode equips you with the knowledge to make informed career decisions.

Tune in now to explore how career mobility can open doors to new possibilities and accelerate your professional growth in the public service!

SHOW CREDITS
Host: Jo Rose
Writers: Alessia Campagna, Nicola Hardy and Jo Rose
Producer and Editor: Alessia Campagna
Technical Producer: Anthony Watson
Executive Producers: Jo Rose and Nicola Hardy

Music Credits:
Let The Good Times Roll: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/ra/let-good-times-roll
License code: DNAIHKYCKOUU6HBT

Enchanted Puzzle: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/andrey-rossi/enchanted-puzzle
License code: YTN0OYX8RBDDUQ73

Easy Flow: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/hybridas/easy-flow
License code: R2FTWOYRCB7YOW21

Not That Easy: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/not-that-easy
License code: MYQOVXXWAFZULECH

On Tiptoes: Music from #Uppbeat
https://uppbeat.io/t/soundroll/on-tiptoes

We would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which the podcast is taking place today. We pay our deep respects to all Elders past, present and emerging. We would also like to extend that respect to any Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples listening today.