Why is everything so shit? Is all hope lost? Are you spiraling about the world? Us too.

When the climate challenge feels so enormous and progress feels like it is going backwards it can be easy to shut down or spiral into existential dread (either way not good). We want to change that.

The Sustainability Spiral is a conversational podcast for anyone working in, studying, or simply curious about sustainability. Hosted by work besties Kim and Ella, who have over a decade of experience working in the sustainability space between them. Each episode we talk about our recent sustainability spirals (up or down) and navigate each other out of them to see the positives. Bonus points to us if we have an upward spiral.

We chat about what sustainability really looks like day-to-day, the wins (they do exist), the frustrations (of which there are many) and all the messy grey, green, and blue areas in between. This podcast is your space for honest, informed, and fun conversations about the realities of the climate space - with the occasional existential spiral. Because if we don’t laugh, we'll cry.