We like to think we are in complete control of our decisions, but science tells a different story. Your conscious mind only handles about 5% of your thoughts and actions. The other 95%? Driven entirely by your subconscious programming.

On this week's episode of I’m Up He See’s Me I’m Down, Mike Turner and high-performance coach Nicole Kernahan dive into why it is so incredibly difficult to break out of old ruts. From childhood, our brains are wired by well-meaning adults to default to "safe," "don't do that," and "no, you can't."

This creates deep, stubborn neural pathways. It's like trying to steer a bicycle out of a deeply grooved mud track—your brain automatically slips right back into the default programming of self-doubt and hesitation.

If you want to change your results, you have to stop fighting the 5% and start actively rewiring the 95%.

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Kathy Eastwood started her career as a CPA at EY, thinking business was run entirely by numbers, routines, and standard structures. But when she left public accounting for the tech world, she hit a wall that completely flipped her perspective on corporate change.

She was running a project management implementation, teaching teams how to build airtight dependency chains and work breakdown structures. During a session, a client sponsor raised his hand and asked a simple question: "How do you actually get someone to do these tasks?"

Kathy answered with the confidence of a young executive: "Well, they're assigned to it. They'll do it."

The sponsor smiled and shook his head. "No, they won't. What if they don't report to you? What if this isn't their priority?"

That single moment shattered the illusion of "command and control" management for Kathy. She realized you can have the most beautiful Smartsheet or Google Sheet in the world, but if you don't understand the human being behind the keyboard—their motivations, their stresses, and their personal "Why"—the project is dead on arrival.

On this episode of I'm Up He See's Me I'm Down, Mike Turner and Kathy dive deep into why human-first leadership always beats task-performance at all costs, and how the best leaders build teams that protect them from the top down.

Roxanne Chaput is a leadership steward and architect of courageous conversations focused on helping founders, executives, and influential leaders navigate the deeper internal dimensions of leadership. Her work centers on what she calls the “inner architecture of leadership,” exploring how unresolved emotional patterns, fragmentation, fear, and misuse of power quietly shape organizational culture and decision-making.

Drawing from her experience building businesses internationally and stewarding more than 20,000 leaders globally, Roxanne helps leaders move beyond reactive leadership into grounded stewardship rooted in self-awareness, discernment, compassion, and responsibility.

She is widely recognized for bridging leadership, spirituality, consciousness, emotional healing, and human-centered leadership into conversations that challenge fear-based leadership models and advocate for leadership grounded in humanity and integrity.