I got to sit down in person with fellow ex-Catholic creator ⁨@Nontradicath⁩ for a long-awaited crossover: why we’re not Catholic anymore.

Kevin shares his journey from being “born into” the traditionalist FSSP world—daily Latin Mass, grace-maxing, Marian devotions—to slowly realizing that so much of what he’d been taught as “history” looks a lot more like legend.
We talk Old Testament authorship, Adam and Eve, gospel reliability, Marian apparitions like Fatima and Guadalupe, and the uncomfortable gap between what Catholic scholars actually say in academic work and what popular apologists tell the pews and YouTube.

00:00 Kevin's Background and Catholic Answers
04:00 Why We're Not Catholic Anymore
07:19 Historical and Biblical Skepticism
09:49 Marian Apparitions and Church History
11:46 Catholic Apologetics
20:10 Community and Catholicism
23:55 Catholic Scholars vs. Apologists
25:42 Frustrations with Apologetics
29:08 Deconstructing Catholic Beliefs
41:36 The Role of Fiction and Stories

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In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Cade sits down with gay Catholic writer and lawyer Chris Damian to unpack one of the most abused buzzwords in Catholic debates: natural law.

They trace how Aristotle, Aquinas, and virtue ethics get flattened into YouTube talking points, why “sex is for babies and bonding” doesn’t actually settle anything, and how natural law gets weaponized against LGBT people, contraception, and queer families while mysteriously ignoring things like smoking and worker exploitation.

From Latin Mass culture and “Catholic Inc.” to chastity, conversion therapy, and bad analogies about chairs, cups, and diet soda, Cade and Chris ask: What would natural law look like if we actually cared about human flourishing—especially for queer people—instead of just defending a pre-decided rulebook?

00:00 Natural Law in Catholicism
01:35 Catholic Inc. and Rad Trad Explained
03:31 Natural Law and Sexual Ethics
09:39 Critiques and Complexities of Natural Law
14:17 Marriage and Natural Law
20:25 Natural Law in Practice and Popular Misconceptions
37:58 Christian Natural Law and Intuitive Goods
46:30 The Anorexia Argument and Natural Law
50:56 The Flaws in Catholic Natural Law Arguments
56:14 The One-Way Valve of Catholic Studies
58:10 Adoption and Same-Sex Couples
59:52 The Complexity of Human Flourishing
01:04:06 The Inconsistencies in Catholic Sexual Ethics
01:06:57 The Broader Implications of Natural Law

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I sit down with Catholic YouTuber @evan_raugust after a wild weekend where we went to seven churches in one weekend: Messianic Jewish, Catholic, Pentecostal, Orthodox, Anglican, non-denominational megachurch, and a Presbyterian church plant.

Evan's full main channel video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHejO1GGbwU&t=651s

We unpack how each community tells a different story about God, heaven, and everyday life—Latin Mass vs fog machines, house-church Orthodoxy vs televised sermons, “I felt the Holy Spirit” vs “this still doesn’t make me a believer.” We talk conversion, deconstruction, the pull of beauty and liturgy, and why some churches felt genuinely soulful while others felt like spiritual factories.

If you’re curious how an ex-Catholic atheist and a convinced Catholic convert experience the same services in totally different ways, this conversation is for you.

00:00 Weekend Adventure: Visiting Different Churches
01:20 Evan's Religious Background
03:48 Cade's Religious Background
04:49 Collaboration and Video Concept
11:46 Messianic Jewish Church Experience
14:59 Catholic Church Experience
19:00 Pentecostal Prayer Service Experience
20:46 Catholic vs Evangelical Views on End Times
23:18 Orthodox Church Experience
27:17 Non-Denominational Church Visit
31:16 Anglican Evensong Service
33:33 Nova Church: A Presbyterian Experience
38:00 Reflections on Visiting Multiple Churches
42:13 Concluding Thoughts on Religion and Atheism

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