Our first-ever podcast guest, John Taft, returns nearly 100 episodes later. John is a Vice Chair of Baird. He was previously the CEO of RBC's U.S. wealth management business through the Great Financial Crisis, overseeing nearly 7,000 employees and almost $300 billion in assets. He chaired SIFMA, the leading securities industry trade association, and testified before Congress during the post-crisis reforms.

John has spent more than 40 years in finance, but he didn't start there. He set out to be a newspaper journalist. Then, on a reporting assignment in Lowell, Massachusetts, he watched community leaders use the tools of finance to rebuild a burnt-out industrial city — and realized he didn't just want to write about that work; he wanted to do it.

John wrote Stewardship: Lessons Learned from the Lost Culture of Wall Street, followed by A Force for Good: How Enlightened Finance Can Restore Faith in Capitalism. Today he’s helping oversee $560B in assets, writes the blog Finance for the Greater Good, and is one of three founding members of the Scholars of Finance Advisory Board.

In this episode, John returns to discuss what he's seen happen to the industry — and where it needs to go next. He and Ross dig into the financialization of the economy, the "disease of grandiosity" infecting leaders across sectors, and why financial services have grown larger than necessary to serve the real economy.

They get to the productive heart of finance — what John calls "helping real people in the real world solve real problems and achieve real goals" — and the speculative noise crowding it out, from prediction markets and zero-day options to leveraged inverse ETFs and much of the digital asset ecosystem. They also explore AI's coming impact on capital allocation, the widening gap between rich and poor, and why John believes the next ten years will demand more stewardship from finance, not less.

Meet John

John Taft is a Vice Chair of Baird and a member of the firm's Executive Committee. Earlier in his career, he was a managing director at Piper, Jaffray & Hopwood; president and CEO of Voyageur Asset Management; president and CEO of Dougherty Summit Securities; and a consultant at Deloitte & Touche. He currently serves on the boards of Riverfront Investment Group, Octavus Group, Baird Trust, and Sagard.

John holds a B.A. magna cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa, from Yale University, and a master's degree in public and private management from the Yale School of Organization and Management.

He serves as Vice Chair of the Minneapolis Foundation, is an active member of the Itasca Project, and is an Executive in Residence at the Wake Forest University Center for the Study of Capitalism.

He credits his family — including his great-grandfather, 27th U.S. President William Howard Taft — for instilling the core values that shape his definition of business success and his belief in the importance of treating every person with dignity.

Ben Choi has spent three decades across the technology ecosystem—as a product leader, founder, and venture investor—and today serves as a senior leader at Next Legacy Partners, where he helps oversee $3.5B+ invested across premier venture capital firms and early-stage startups.

In this episode of Investing in Integrity, our host Ross Overline and Ben navigate the intersection of venture capital, philanthropy, and moral leadership. Ben shares how Next Legacy’s flagship model is designed to multiply capital—and then give it away.

From there, the conversation goes deeper than mechanics. Ben outlines the values that shaped his leadership and why generosity is often driven not by one motivation, but by the shared joy of impact beyond yourself.

Finally, Ross and Ben wrestle openly with capitalism—how it’s the best economic system ever tested at scale, it can still evolve to be even better, and what responsibility future finance leaders carry to make that a reality.

Whether you’re a student trying to define success or a senior leader shaping institutions, this episode is a masterclass in using capital with clarity, humility, and purpose.

Meet Ben Choi

Ben Choi is a Managing Partner at Next Legacy. He manages $3.5B+ in investments with premier venture capital firms and directly into early-stage startups. His venture track record includes pre-PMF investments in Marketo (acquired for $4.75B) and CourseHero (last valued at $3.6B). He previously ran product for Adobe Creative Cloud offerings and founded CoffeeTable, raising venture financing before selling the company.

Ben studied Computer Science at Harvard University and earned his MBA from Columbia Business School. He lives in Los Altos with his wife, Lydia, their three sons, and a ball python.

David Roberts spent nearly four decades in finance—starting on Wall Street in 1983 and joining Angelo Gordon in 1993, when the firm was a 15-person shop managing about $300M. By the time he left, the firm managed roughly $50B in assets, and David contributed to that growth by helping build and launch several of the firm’s businesses. After retiring, he created Sparks From Culture, a widely read Substack, which provides its nearly 9,000 readers with “weekly personal essays on wealth, status, and family from someone with generational wealth, writing with transparency.”

Our host, Ross Overline, is one of David’s readers.

In this conversation, David and Ross explore the hardest questions finance leaders rarely discuss publicly: How do you know when you have “enough”? Why does comparison keep resetting our definition of success? What are the risks of wealth concentration?

They discuss inequality, philanthropy, competing views of capitalism’s current state, and how greed often shows up as self-justification. David makes the case for generosity as a stabilizing force in society—and shares how he’s translated these beliefs into real, high-impact giving.

The episode closes with a simple but unforgettable principle: the butterfly effect—small acts of generosity can change a life more than you’ll ever know.

Meet David

David Roberts is a retired Partner of Angelo Gordon, where he joined in 1993, helping build and scale investment platforms across real estate, structured credit, and net lease. After retiring in 2022, he briefly served in public service as Senior Advisor to Maryland’s Secretary of Commerce.

In recent years, David has become a thoughtful public voice through his Substack newsletter Sparks From Culture (no payment necessary). All proceeds from paid subscriptions are donated to the Robin Hood Foundation, reflecting David and his wife Debbie’s long-standing commitment to impact-driven giving.

He holds a B.S. from The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.