In this episode of It's Not That Complicated, host David Hagan sits down with Jeff Shore, President and CEO of Shore Consulting, for a conversation centered on leadership that lasts.

Jeff has shaped how homebuilding leaders think about sales, accountability, and performance—not through theory, but through clear, uncompromising standards. The episode explores what it truly takes to lead under pressure, create clarity in complex environments, and build confidence that carries through teams and customer experiences.

As the podcast enters a purposeful pause, this conversation closes the chapter with intention. Not as an ending—but as a reflection on the legacy strong leadership leaves behind and the standards worth carrying forward.

Listeners are invited to tune in and take away leadership principles that endure—no matter the season.

What does it really mean to commit to an industry?

In this episode, Taylor Humphrey, Vice President of Pacesetter Homes Texas, joins David Hagan for a thoughtful conversation on leadership, trust, and long-term commitment to the homebuilding industry.

Taylor shares why leadership isn't about quick wins or perfectly scripted moments — it's about staying engaged, investing in people, and leading with intention through every season of the market. Drawing from his experience leading sales teams, he reflects on how commitment builds trust, strengthens culture, and ultimately shapes the future of homebuilding.

One insight from the conversation captures it best:

"Leadership isn't about controlling outcomes. It's about committing to the process."

This episode is a must-listen for homebuilding leaders who believe the industry grows stronger when leaders choose to stay — not just when it's easy, but when it matters most.

What happens when life takes away your sense of control—and gives it back in an unexpected way?

In this deeply moving episode of It's Not That Complicated, David Hagan sits down with Rachel Starratt, Senior Vice President of Sales & Marketing at Red Door Homes of the Carolinas, for a conversation that goes far beyond sales strategy.

Rachel shares her journey through burnout, motherhood, leadership in a challenging housing market—and an aggressive breast cancer diagnosis that changed how she sees everything. What emerged from that season wasn't fear or retreat, but clarity. A renewed sense of agency. And a powerful realization: while we can't control everything in life or business, we do have control over our mindset, our narratives, and how we choose to show up.

Together, David and Rachel explore why mindset isn't motivational fluff, why follow-up is really leadership, and how the stories we tell ourselves quietly shape our results—at work and at home.

This episode is honest, grounding, and deeply encouraging for anyone navigating pressure, uncertainty, or quiet exhaustion.