Hey everyone, welcome back to Jesus the Legend… I’m really excited to let you know that we have Bill Vanderbush with us today, and we’re diving into some powerful and refreshing truths about Jesus and the heart of God.

Bill is a third-generation minister, author, and speaker with over 25 years of pastoral experience. Growing up on the mission field and traveling the world, he developed a deep passion for introducing people to the resurrection power of Jesus Christ and empowering believers to live in the fullness of their identity in Him.

His books explore mystical spirituality defined in Christ, the radical simplicity of the gospel, and the transformative fire of the Holy Spirit. Notable works include The Sound of Your Blood, The Fire is Not Optional and The Forgotten Way.

Together with his wife Traci (who’s also an Author & Speaker), Bill travels extensively, speaking at conferences and gatherings to ignite faith and help others "invade the impossible." He currently resides in the Austin, Texas area.

Again, thanks for joining in… let’s jump right in.

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Hey everyone, welcome back to Jesus the Legend… I’m really excited to let you know that we have Bill Vanderbush with us today, and we’re diving into some powerful and refreshing truths about Jesus and the heart of God.

Bill is a third-generation minister, author, and speaker with over 25 years of pastoral experience. Growing up on the mission field and traveling the world, he developed a deep passion for introducing people to the resurrection power of Jesus Christ and empowering believers to live in the fullness of their identity in Him.

His books explore mystical spirituality defined in Christ, the radical simplicity of the gospel, and the transformative fire of the Holy Spirit. Notable works include The Sound of Your Blood, The Fire is Not Optional and The Forgotten Way.

Together with his wife Traci (who’s also an Author & Speaker), Bill travels extensively, speaking at conferences and gatherings to ignite faith and help others "invade the impossible." He currently resides in the Austin, Texas area.

Again, thanks for joining in… let’s jump right in.

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Hey everyone, welcome back to Jesus the Legend! I am so happy to say that we have David Artman back with us!

David is a husband, banjo player, minister, and one of the leading voices in the world of Christian universalism. After more than 30 years in pastoral ministry, he’s now focusing on podcasting and engaging in the bigger spiritual conversations happening today.

He’s the author of Grace Saves All: The Necessity of Christian Universalism where he makes the case that God’s grace ultimately redeems all people—not as a stretch of Scripture, but as its most beautiful fulfillment. Through his podcast, Grace Saves All – Christianity and Universal Salvation, he explores the depth of God’s love with theologians, pastors, and seekers alike.

I’ve had David on the show before, and he’s just a great guy who’s genuinely passionate about sharing the good news that God’s grace is bigger than we’ve often imagined, and that His mercy truly endures forever.

This time, though, we’re mixing things up a bit. Today we’re going to play a game I like to call “Stump the Universalist.” I’ll be stepping into the role of someone who believes in eternal conscious torment (which, to be clear, I definitely don’t—not even a little), and I’ll throw some commonly used Scriptures his way. Then we’ll let David walk us through how he understands them.

It should make for a really fun—and helpful - conversation.

So settle in and let’s see if we can put the Christian Universalist on the spot…

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