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Leadership Odysseys

Leadership Odysseys

Written by: Kirsty Gee
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Leadership Odysseys is a space for people in the middle.

The middle of careers.
The middle of decisions.
The middle of becoming.

This podcast shares real leadership journeys.
Not straight lines.
Not highlight reels.

Each conversation explores what happens behind the scenes.
The fear. The doubt. The quiet discipline.
The small choices that shape a life over time.

Our guests are leaders who have walked their own paths.
They speak honestly about what it takes to keep going.
Their stories offer perspective, not instruction.

Leadership Odysseys exists to make the messy middle visible.
To help you embrace the journey.
To think long term.
To take one small step for your future self.

Hosted by Kirsty Ghahramani (Kirsty Gee)

If you are building something.
Questioning what comes next.
Or redefining what leadership and success mean to you.

You belong here.

Listen in.
Pause.
Embrace the journey.

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  • Tane Hunter & Dara Simkin: What It Actually Means to Stay Human While the World Speeds Up

    Tane Hunter & Dara Simkin: What It Actually Means to Stay Human While the World Speeds Up
    May 4 2026
    Leadership Podcast | Workplace Culture | Play at Work | Intelligent Optimism | Full Stack Human Book There is a question that most leaders are quietly asking but rarely say out loud: if I keep doing more, why does something still feel off? Not broken, not lazy, not wrong. Just stretched past the point where effort alone solves anything. This conversation sits right inside that tension. Two thinkers, two very different paths, and one shared conviction that the world has changed faster than the playbook we were handed, and that staying human is not a soft skill. It is the strategy. The Guests Tane Hunter grew up an outsider — a blonde-haired nerd in rural New Mexico, raised by a mathematician father and a counsellor mother, who found his footing on a mountain bike and then lost it again to a spinal injury that ended his national champion career. What followed was science, cancer research, sailing solo across the South Pacific, and eventually co-founding Future Crunch, a global platform built on intelligent optimism and the belief that the stories we tell about the world shape the world we build. Dara Simkin arrived in Australia by winning a camper van competition, fell in love with Melbourne, and built a career from the inside out: coaching, mental health workshops, a summer camp nobody came to, and then the insight that changed everything. Play is not a reward for finishing the work. It is how the work gets done well. She is the founder of Culture Hero and Australia's leading voice on play in the workplace, a late ADHD diagnosis lighting up everything she always knew about herself. Together, they wrote The Full Stack Human — a book for anyone who refuses to sacrifice their humanity for success. What We Get Into The myth of discipline and resilience Dara reframes one of leadership's most overused words. It is not that high-achievers lack discipline or resilience. It is that they are operating beyond their capacity. When you are running on empty, no amount of grit closes the gap. The real question is not how hard you push but where your energy is going and whether you are getting any of it back. What it takes to rebuild when the thing you love is taken away Tane's spinal injury did not arrive as a single moment. It arrived slowly, until he could barely walk. He talks honestly about grief, misdiagnosis, and what happens when your identity is wrapped up in something your body can no longer do. His answer was not to power through. It was to go back to his first love: science. That decision changed everything that followed. The child void, success amnesia, and the addiction to achievement Dara introduces the concept of the child void — that liminal space between achievements where high-performers feel most lost. She and Tane explore how success amnesia keeps driven people from celebrating anything before chasing the next thing, and why the messy middle is not a problem to be solved but a fertile space to be inhabited. Comprehension, they argue, is what creates compassion. Why the most dangerous leadership strategy right now is control In a world moving this fast, risk aversion is itself a risk. Tane and Dara dismantle the lie that seriousness equals success and make the case for the yes-and leader — someone who creates conditions for their people to bring their real thinking, not their polished version of it. Psychological safety is not about being nice. It is about building cultures where people can say this is not working and feel safe doing it. Play is not the reward. It is the on-ramp. The most common mistake leaders make with culture is treating play as a treat you get after the real work. Dara makes a different case entirely. Play, in its truest form — curiosity, flexibility, permission to experiment — is what expands capacity. You cannot force a frazzled nervous system to rest. But you can give it an on-ramp. Recovery and rest are not the same thing, and knowing the difference might be the most practical leadership insight in this whole conversation. Quotes From the Conversation "It's not resilience or discipline. It's capacity. When we are up to our eyeballs, we have very little capacity to navigate our lives. Where is my energy going, and am I getting it back?" — Dara Simkin "Don't treat hope as a noun or a hashtag. Treat it as a verb. Create strong pathways, your people's ability to imagine solutions. And couple it with agency — the belief that those goals can actually be obtained." — Tane Hunter A Note From Kirsty What I keep thinking about after this conversation is how much we have confused being stretched with being strong. Tane and Dara gave me a different frame: that the most human thing a leader can do right now is not grind harder, but genuinely ask where their energy is going — and whether any of it is coming back. That is not softness. That is strategy. And if you have ever crashed on a holiday because your body finally got permission to stop, this one is for you. ...
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    1 hr and 14 mins
  • Jeremy Senior: Building Strong Teams Through Clarity, Not Comfort

    Jeremy Senior: Building Strong Teams Through Clarity, Not Comfort
    Apr 20 2026

    What happens when leadership is tested not in theory, but in the moments where everything is on the line?

    In this conversation, Jeremy Senior takes us inside the reality of leading in high-pressure, high-stakes environments. From early personal loss to navigating corporate hierarchy, retail collapse, global culture clashes, and burnout, his story is not linear. It is shaped by tension, responsibility, and the quiet decisions that define who you become as a leader.

    This is not a conversation about titles or outcomes.

    It is about clarity when others stay silent. It is about leading people through uncertainty when the system is bigger than you. And it is about what it costs to keep showing up when performance is public and pressure never switches off.

    Jeremy’s odyssey reveals a truth many leaders feel but rarely say.

    Leadership is not just about results. It is about how you hold yourself, and others, when things get hard.

    Key Highlights

    ~ Clarity is everything Across every role, culture, and company, one principle held true. If people do not understand the why, they disengage, resist, or stay silent. Leadership starts with making things clear, especially when they are uncomfortable.

    ~ Silence is where businesses break At Dick Smith, Jeremy saw what happens when people stop speaking up. The warning signs were there, but fear and culture suppressed them. The result was not just commercial failure, but a leadership failure in communication and trust.

    ~ The reality of leadership loneliness At Samsung, Jeremy experienced something many leaders never admit. Isolation. The higher you go, the fewer people you can speak to honestly. His lesson is simple. Every leader needs someone they trust. Without it, judgment suffers.

    ~ You cannot lead without radical candour Kindness is not about being nice. It is about being honest, with care. Avoiding hard conversations does not protect people. It limits them. The best leaders say what needs to be said and stay to help improve it.

    ~ Burnout does not arrive loudly It builds quietly. For Jeremy, it was only visible when everything stopped. After years of constant pressure, he found himself unable to get out of bed. Not from exhaustion, but from depletion. A reminder that recovery is not optional, it is essential.

    Jeremy’s story is not defined by the companies he worked for, but by how he chose to lead within them.

    In systems built on hierarchy, pressure, and performance, he chose clarity over politics. He chose conversation over silence. And he chose to stay human in environments that often reward the opposite.

    This episode is a reminder that leadership is not about having all the answers.

    It is about creating environments where truth can be spoken, people can grow, and clarity replaces confusion.

    Because in the end, the strongest leaders are not the loudest.

    They are the clearest.

    Connect with Jeremy Senior: LinkedIn

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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • Future-Fit Leadership: Why Most People Aren’t Doing Their Best Work | Cherie Mylordis

    Future-Fit Leadership: Why Most People Aren’t Doing Their Best Work | Cherie Mylordis
    Apr 6 2026

    There’s a quiet truth sitting inside many workplaces right now.

    People are capable. They care. They want to do great work.

    But something is off.

    In this episode, Cherie Mylordis takes us deep into that tension. From shaping strategy and workforce for the Sydney Olympic Games to leading transformation across some of Australia’s largest organisations, she has spent decades inside complex systems, watching what helps people thrive and what slowly breaks them down.

    What she found is confronting.

    It’s not that people aren’t capable. It’s that the way we work hasn’t kept up with the world we live in.

    This is a conversation about rethinking leadership, rebuilding workplaces, and asking a simple but powerful question:

    What if the problem isn’t the people, but the system they are operating in?

    Key Highlights

    ~ Only one person out of 200 leaders said they were doing the best work of their life Cherie’s global research revealed a hard truth. Most people are constrained by culture, not capability. Even high performers are held back by outdated structures and unclear purpose.

    ~ The Olympic Games changed everything Working on the Sydney Olympics showed what is possible when purpose is clear, hierarchy is removed, and people are trusted. No playbook. No legacy systems. Just collaboration, ownership, and a shared goal that mattered.

    ~ The modern workplace is still built on a 100-year-old model Command-and-control leadership was designed for factories, not thinking humans. Yet many organisations still expect creativity and innovation inside rigid hierarchies. That tension is where disengagement begins.

    ~ The 3D framework: Dare, Ditch, Dial A simple but powerful reset for any team or organisation:

    • Dare: define a bold purpose people can rally behind
    • Ditch: remove what slows you down
    • Dial: increase autonomy, trust, and better ways of working Small shifts here create meaningful change.

    ~ You don’t need a title to lead Leadership is not a position. It is how you show up. Curiosity, intention, and small daily actions can shift culture more than hierarchy ever will.

    This episode stays with you.

    Because it challenges something most people accept without question.

    Work shouldn’t feel like survival.

    It shouldn’t drain your energy, limit your voice, or make you question your value.

    And yet, for many people, it does.

    Cherie reminds us that there is another way. One built on purpose, trust, and the belief that people are capable of more when given the space to step into it.

    Not someday. Now.

    And maybe the real shift begins with a simple decision.

    To stop waiting for permission. And start leading from where you are.

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    1 hr and 6 mins
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