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Leadership Odysseys

Leadership Odysseys

Written by: Kirsty Gee
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Leadership Odysseys is a space for people in the middle.

The middle of careers.
The middle of decisions.
The middle of becoming.

This podcast shares real leadership journeys.
Not straight lines.
Not highlight reels.

Each conversation explores what happens behind the scenes.
The fear. The doubt. The quiet discipline.
The small choices that shape a life over time.

Our guests are leaders who have walked their own paths.
They speak honestly about what it takes to keep going.
Their stories offer perspective, not instruction.

Leadership Odysseys exists to make the messy middle visible.
To help you embrace the journey.
To think long term.
To take one small step for your future self.

Hosted by Kirsty Ghahramani (Kirsty Gee)

If you are building something.
Questioning what comes next.
Or redefining what leadership and success mean to you.

You belong here.

Listen in.
Pause.
Embrace the journey.

Copyright 2023 All rights reserved.
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Episodes
  • Mike Erlin on Human Capability, AI, and the Decision That Changed Everything
    Jul 13 2026

    There is a version of every life that almost happened. The path we were on before we turned, suddenly, toward something we couldn't yet see. Most of us never talk about that fork in the road, or what it cost to walk away from the safe thing. This conversation is about exactly that moment, and what unfolds when you trust it completely.

    Mike Erlin is the co-founder and CEO of AbilityMap, a company built to answer a question that followed him across three countries and twenty years: why do organisations keep getting it wrong on people, and why does nobody seem able to fix it? Before any of that, he was a footballer at the University of Oregon, a stranger on a yacht club dock in San Francisco, and a young man standing at a literal crossroads in Salt Lake City.

    Highlights

    The paper route that funded a household. When Mike's parents divorced in 1975, his mother was left with two boys and no income. At nine years old, Mike was lending her money from his paper route savings — the first lesson in a belief that would define his life: there is no option but to move forward.

    Two worlds in one childhood. After the divorce, Mike's mother packed her sons into a Datsun station wagon and drove them to Guanajuato, Mexico, for eighteen months. He lived in a wealthy compound but crossed daily into a poorer part of town to play with friends who had dirt floors — an early, formative lesson in seeing people for who they are, not what they have.

    The decision at the crossroads. Mid-route delivering a boat part to Salt Lake City, Mike faced a literal fork: turn one way back to his football team at Oregon, or the other way toward an America's Cup campaign in Australia. He turned toward the unknown — and has carried the guilt of leaving his team behind for years since, even knowing it changed the entire direction of his life.

    The full circle nobody could have planned. Mike's America's Cup campaign brought him to Australia, where he met his wife. Decades later, he discovered that the same psychometric science used to help Australia win the Cup in 1983 had been pioneered by the man who would become his AbilityMap co-founder — a connection neither of them saw coming until it was already true.

    Building lean, on purpose. AbilityMap ran for four years without sending a single invoice while Mike and his co-founder tested the science. They've taken minimal outside funding, survived a fifty percent revenue drop during COVID, and twenty-one months without income — choosing to do the job right over doing it fast.

    Anchor Quotes

    "There wasn't some huge spreadsheet that I used to weigh everything. I think I just looked at it and I felt what was going to be — I tend to do this, and it's definitely not always right."

    "AI amplifies that which we have. If we have people who are misaligned from a capability standpoint, it's going to amplify that misalignment."

    What stays with me from this conversation is how rarely the biggest decisions in our lives come with certainty attached. Mike didn't have a spreadsheet at that crossroads, he had a feeling, and the willingness to live with what it cost. If you're sitting at your own fork in the road right now, I hope this conversation reminds you that clarity often comes after the turn, not before it.

    Connect with Mike Erlin: LinkedIn

    Connect with Ability Map: LinkedIn | Website

    Connect with Kirsty Ghahramani (Gee): LinkedIn | Instagram | Website

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    1 hr and 9 mins
  • Jacqui Bloom: Showing Up
    Jun 29 2026

    Most of us think reinvention happens in a single, dramatic moment. Jacqui Bloom's story proves otherwise. Hers happened in the kitchen, in hospital corridors, in a car stuck in traffic when she finally admitted she couldn't keep doing what she was doing. Across thirty years and multiple businesses, one question kept finding her: how can I help? This conversation is about what happens when you stop waiting to be ready and start answering it.

    Jacqui Bloom started selling shoes at a Melbourne market at eight years old and was running her family's multi-million dollar fabric business by twenty-four. She has since built and lost businesses, walked through profound personal loss, and rebuilt herself into one of the most connected investors in the Australian startup ecosystem. Today she is Head of Investment at Backable and a Non-Executive Director at NASDAQ-listed Mobilicom.

    Key Highlights

    From the market stall to the boardroom. Jacqui's entrepreneurial instincts started at eight years old, selling shoes at her local market with her cousin. By twenty, she'd turned down a graduate role at a major bank to join her parents' fabric business instead. By twenty-four, she was running it.

    The cost of carrying it all. At twenty-four, Bloom Fabrics went into administration. Jacqui talks candidly about what that meant for her father, the responsibility she carried as a young leader, and the perfectionism it left behind, the belief that there was no room to get things wrong.

    When grief became the turning point. In the space of a few years, Jacqui lost her brother-in-law to cancer and watched her mother go through the same illness while she was having her own children. She talks openly about what it cost her to keep showing up, and how that experience became the seed of The Helping Hub.

    Rebuilding an identity from scratch. Jacqui speaks with rare honesty about her divorce, what it meant to lose a twenty-year relationship and the version of family life she'd planned for her children, and the piece of advice from a school psychologist that changed how she carried herself through it.

    Backing the next generation. From founding Shepreneur to building a fund inside Startupbootcamp to her current role at Backable, Jacqui has spent the back half of her career helping founders, particularly women, get access to capital. She shares an unflinching, sometimes provocative view on what is actually holding female founders back.

    Two Anchor Quotes

    "They decided that showing up was the credential."

    "I couldn't ask people, can you come and wash my underwear? And that's where the idea for The Helping Hub was born."

    What stays with me from this conversation is how many times Jacqui's life asked her to start again, and how many times she did. Not because it was easy, but because, as she told her own son during her divorce, we always have a choice in how we meet what happens to us. That's the thread running through every chapter of her story. I hope it gives you permission to find yours.

    Connect with Jacqui Bloom: LinkedIn

    Connect with Backable: LinkedIn | Website

    Connect with Kirsty Ghahramani (Gee): LinkedIn | Instagram | Website

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    1 hr and 16 mins
  • David Mann: Career Reinvention, Stewardship and Why the Path Doesn't Have to Be Linear
    Jun 15 2026
    David Mann has never had a grand plan. What he has had is a willingness to follow the thread - to say yes to the next opportunity, trust the learning, and keep moving. From auctioneer to NSW Police Officer and court Prosecutor, to commercial lawyer, to 24 years leading billion-dollar consulting operations for Accenture across the UK, Asia Pacific and the Middle East, to CEO of Workplace Giving Australia, to now leading Tour de Cure as its CEO - David's story is one of the most compelling examples of career reinvention and non-linear leadership you will find. In this conversation, he takes us behind the decisions, the discipline, and the quiet conviction that has shaped a life built on purpose, stewardship and trusting the process. KEY HIGHLIGHTS 1. The police force was his first leadership school Before any boardroom, David Mann spent six years as an NSW Police Officer and court Prosecutor. He credits that time with teaching him the fundamentals of human behaviour - how to read a room, how to negotiate without igniting a situation, and how to understand that people do not all think the same way. He describes the best police as those who can defuse rather than escalate - a philosophy he carried directly into his leadership approach at Accenture and beyond. It is not a background most senior executives share. And it shows in how he leads. 2. He has never had a grand plan - and that was the strategy David said it plainly in this conversation: he has never had a grand plan. What drove every career decision instead was a simple filter - will this keep me learning and growing? He described his father's question that still shapes how he thinks: what is the point of working 48 weeks of the year in something you do not enjoy, just for four weeks of holiday? For anyone navigating their own non-linear career path, that question is a compass. Career reinvention, David says, is not a crisis. It is a choice. 3. Stewardship is the leadership principle he returns to again and again After 24 years at Accenture, David left deliberately - not because he had to, but because it had become routine. He recognised that a leader who has stopped being energised is a disservice to the people around them. He described stewardship as making other people successful and then getting out of their way. It is the leadership principle he applied to leaving Accenture, and the one he now applies every day at Tour de Cure. In a world that celebrates holding on, David makes a quiet case for knowing when to let go. 4. Tour de Cure - from bikes to a national cancer research force David joined the Tour de Cure board in 2014 as a volunteer, and became CEO in October 2024. When he arrived, Tour de Cure was built around one thing: riding. Bike tours were the centrepiece and the identity. Today, riding represents only about 10% of what the organisation does. Over 20,000 of its 25,000 annual participants now come through runs, walks, swims and gala events - a deliberate diversification David helped drive from the board before stepping into the CEO seat. Tour de Cure has funded over 1,300 research projects, contributed to more than 250 world-class medical breakthroughs, and currently sponsors approximately 130 PhD students. David is clear: researchers will find cures for cancer. The only thing that will stop them is lack of funding. 5. Kindness has been a thread through everything When asked where kindness had shown up across his career, David Mann did not reach for a corporate example. He talked about his parents, his friends, and the people around him who were never just in it for themselves. He describes kindness not as a soft leadership idea but as a practical force - and it is part of why he joined My Acts of Kindness alongside his work at Tour de Cure. For David, leading with kindness and leading seriously are not in tension. They are the same thing. David Mann did not set out to build an impressive career. He set out to keep learning, keep growing, and be around people who were doing the same. The titles and the scale came as a by-product of that orientation - not the other way around. What this conversation leaves you with is something quieter and more useful than career advice: the reminder that the path does not have to be linear to be right, that stewardship matters more than status, and that career reinvention is not something that happens to you. It is something you choose. Connect with David Mann: LinkedIn Tour de Cure: LinkedIn | Website My Acts of Kindness: Linkedin | Website This episode is brought to you by: Cell Wellness Co Connect with Kirsty Ghahramani (Gee): LinkedIn | Instagram | Website
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    57 mins
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