• Episode 1: What does it mean to lead in L&D?
    Apr 14 2026

    Laura Overton and Michelle Ockers open the Learning Changemakers series with a question they thought would be simple: what does it actually mean to lead in L&D? What they discover is that leadership in this profession isn't about a title or a team - it's about orientation. How you see yourself, how you show up, and whether you're willing to step forward even when nobody's asked you to. Along the way, they introduce the principles and mindset at the heart of their book The L&D Leader, and start to uncover why the biggest shifts in our profession may not come from new tools or models but from how we think about ourselves.

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    Mentioned in this episode

    • The L&D Leader by Laura Overton and Michelle Ockers (Kogan Page) - the book that sparked this series and the principles explored throughout
    • The Learning Performance Benchmark — Laura's 15-year longitudinal study into what makes learning innovation deliver business impact
    • James Swift, Leyton — his story of bringing a sales background into L&D is explored in The L&D Leader and in Michellle's interview with James for Learning Uncut

    A question to sit with

    What does leadership in L&D actually mean to you — not the title, but the practice? Where are you already leading, even if nobody calls it that?

    Digging deeper

    • Ashoka's "Everyone a Changemaker" movement - the inspiration behind Learning Changemakers

    Keep in touch

    Laura Overton - LinkedIn | learningchangemakers.com

    Michelle Ockers - LinkedIn

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    34 mins
  • Episode 2: Do abundant choices lead to L&D overwhelm?
    Apr 28 2026

    Laura Overton and Michelle Ockers return with a question that turns out to be anything but simple: if L&D professionals have more models, tools, and frameworks than ever before, why do so many still feel stuck? What they uncover is that the problem isn't a lack of knowledge - it's an excess of it. Drawing on twenty years of benchmark data and the principles at the heart of The L&D Leader, they introduce the TRI principle: Tuning in, Responding, Improving. Not as another model to master, but as a way of cutting through the noise and finding what actually works in your organisation. When Michelle shares a story about a maintenance planning team she worked with, they discover that the breakthroughs we've already had in our practice often make more sense in hindsight than they did in the moment.

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    Resources

    • The L&D Leader – Principles and practice for delivering business value by Laura Overton and Michelle Ockers (book) learningchangemakers.com/resources/the-ld-leader/

    Research & Data

    • The Learning Performance Benchmark - Laura's 20-year study into what drives business impact in L&D

    • CIPD L&D Research - cipd.org

    • LinkedIn Learning Workplace Learning Report - learning.linkedin.com/resources/workplace-learning-report

    Case Studies

    • Multiplex — construction sector workplace behaviour strategy; an example of TRI principles in action (detailed in the book) learninguncut.global/podcast/139/

    People to Follow

    • Charles Jennings — 70-20-10 framework - charlesjennings.com

    • Cathy Moore — action mapping & performance-focused design - blog.cathy-moore.com

    • Don Taylor — L&D trends & the Global Learning & Development Sentiment Survey - donaldhtaylor.co.uk​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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    39 mins