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Life Between Titles: Career Transition, Layoff Recovery & Reinvention

Life Between Titles: Career Transition, Layoff Recovery & Reinvention

Written by: Savan Kong | Job Loss Recovery & Career Stories
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What happens to your identity when your job disappears? Life Between Titles is the podcast for anyone navigating career transition, job loss recovery, and the hard work of career reinvention — told through honest, human stories. Whether you are between jobs, titles, or directions, Life Between Titles reminds you that the in-between is not the end. It is where transformation begins. Hosted by Savan Kong, a former federal employee and product executive who has lived through layoff, reinvention, and the question of who you are when your title is gone.Savan Kong | Job Loss Recovery & Career Stories Social Sciences
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  • Anthony Dyer | Retired Combat Veteran, 14 Deployments. On rock bottom, writing through it, and scars as a roadmap.
    May 27 2026

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    He joined the Air Force for a paycheck. No direction, a chip on his shoulder, and no real plan beyond getting out of a small mountain town in western North Carolina. What happened over the next 20 years — 14 deployments, a gunship over Afghanistan, a torn pec mid-hoist in East Africa, a waffle man who turned out to be the enemy, and eventually a bottle that almost cost him everything — is the kind of story that doesn't get told enough. Anthony Dyer told it anyway. And he wrote it down.

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    In this episode you'll learn:

    • How to find purpose again after the mission that defined you is gone
    • How to feed the positive wolf when you've spent years doing the opposite
    • Why "we'll see" might be the most powerful two words you carry into uncertainty
    • How writing down your trauma becomes the beginning of healing
    • How to keep your identity intact through every reinvention, not just the ones that worked

    There's a line Anthony said that I keep thinking about: scars are a roadmap to perseverance. This episode is that map. What We Discuss: 0:00 Intro | 3:00 Growing up in the Appalachians | 4:45 The two wolves | 7:18 Why he joined the Air Force | 11:05 9/11 and the shift that changed everything | 14:26 What being a gunship operator actually means | 20:09 Afghanistan — RPGs and the Casablanca mission | 22:17 The Waffle Man | 31:20 Hospitalized in Germany and telling no one | 41:46 Rock bottom — the bottle, the pills, and the choice his wife forced | 43:34 Prolonged exposure therapy | 48:00 Writing the book | 54:16 Navajo culture and raising Sullivan with two belief systems | 1:04:45 What he hopes Sullivan finds in this conversation 35 years from now


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    1 hr and 8 mins
  • Hon. John Sherman on Leading with Kindness, 9/11, and a Life of Consequence
    May 14 2026

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    Hon. John Sherman on Leading with Kindness, 9/11, and a Life of Consequence

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    I've known John Sherman for years. He gave me ten minutes when he didn't have to. That turned into one of the most consequential relationships of my career.

    What I didn't know until we sat down for this episode was that the man who led the largest technology enterprise in the country once described himself as beyond intense, often aggressive, and ready to conquer the world when he left college. That's not the John Sherman I know. Which means somewhere across three decades of federal service, something changed. I wanted to know what.

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    In this episode you'll learn:

    • How to lead with kindness without losing your edge or your accountability
    • How to stay mission-focused across Republican and Democratic administrations
    • How to get up to speed on technology you don't understand yet
    • How to make the call to cancel something big before it takes everything with it
    • How to build a career of consequence, not just a career of titles
    • Why being on duty in the White House Situation Room on 9/11 still shapes how John leads today

    John Sherman spent 30 years in federal service, including time as a White House Situation Room duty officer on September 11th, 2001. He served as Intelligence Community CIO overseeing 17 agencies, and as Senate-confirmed DoD Chief Information Officer, the largest technology enterprise in the country. He's now Dean of the Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University.

    What We Discuss: 0:00 Intro | 2:00 The LinkedIn post John almost forgot he wrote: "I wasn't always like this" | 7:00 Kindness as honesty, not softness | 14:00 Coming out of the Corps of Cadets aggressive and ready to conquer the world | 22:00 What the White House Situation Room actually looked like on 9/11 | 32:00 Crossing the Roosevelt Bridge and seeing smoke from the Pentagon | 35:00 Working across administrations: what actually connects them | 39:00 How John got into technology leadership without being a technologist | 44:00 Canceling JEDI and the IC Common Desktop | 50:00 How to hire for character when resumes can't tell you who someone is | 54:00 A life of consequence

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    58 mins
  • Gladdys Uribe on Immigration Law, ICE Raids, & Building a Practice on Your Own Terms
    May 5 2026

    ICE raids. Deportations. A system moving faster than families can react. Immigration attorney Gladdys Uribe sees it all in real time — and she decided at 16 she'd be the one standing between her community and the worst of it. The daughter of Mexican immigrants, trained under one of LA's top lawyers, she built her practice on her own terms — as a working mom, in the middle of the most chaotic enforcement era in decades. In this episode, we talk about what it actually looks like to say yes when fear is the loudest voice in the room.

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    In this episode you'll learn:

    * How to build a career around a mission you committed to before you knew what it would cost

    * How to navigate a field that wasn't designed for you — and build a practice on your own terms

    * What ICE enforcement actually looks like on the ground right now, and what families need to know

    * How to use fear as information instead of a reason to stop

    * What it means to practice immigration law as a working mom without apologizing for either role

    The immigration system didn't get more forgiving. The enforcement didn't get quieter. Gladdys built her practice anyway — not in spite of the pressure, but inside of it. This is what it looks like when someone says yes to the thing that scares them, and keeps saying it for 26 years.

    What We Discuss:

    00:00 — Introduction

    02:00 — Growing up as the daughter of Mexican immigrants and deciding at 16 to become a civil rights attorney

    08:00 — Getting into Occidental College and UCLA Law — and what no one tells you about being first

    16:00 — Training under Enrique Arevalon, one of LA's top immigration lawyers

    24:00 — What Trump 2.0 enforcement actually looks like: ICE raids, detention, daily policy shifts

    34:00 — The moment she decided to build her own practice instead of fit into someone else's

    42:00 — Building a working-mom-friendly firm — and why that design was intentional

    50:00 — What saying yes instead of no out of fear actually changed

    58:00 — What she wants families to know right now

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    Teal AI Resume Tool

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    🟢 Spotify

    🍎 Apple Podcasts

    🎵 Amazon Music

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    💰 Become a Sponsor

    🙋 Be a Guest

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    #LifeBetweenTitles #careertransition #layoff #reinvention #humanstories #nextchapter #leadership #immigrationlaw #ICEraids #Trump


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    1 hr and 21 mins
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