This conversation is with Nelson Phiri, pastor of the Mpika Congregation of the Reformed Church in Zambia in Mpika, Zambia. Nelson shares about his leadership experiences and the people who modeled good leadership for him. He then shares about some of the temptations that cause pastors to compromise their integrity and therefore lose the influence they once had. Interviewed May 28th, 2026. (36 minutes)

This discussion is with Otieno Sheth Oguok, associate pastor of Kenya Assemblies of God Bethel Church, Oyugis. Otieno unpacks for us a different notion of leadership than what is popular around the world. He wants us to see leadership as kneeling, leadership as seeing, and leadership as lament. In his explanation, he also touches on his ministry in informal settlements in Nairobi, Kenya. Interviewed April 27th, 2026. (43 minutes)

This conversation is with John Johnson Aziato, pastor of Global Evangelical Church in Penyi, Ghana. We talk about the importance of caring for widows and orphans in our churches and communities. John wants churches to realize that even if they do not have a lot, there is something that they are able to do to help others. They should care for people's physical needs alongside of preaching to people about salvation. Interviewed April 9th, 2026. (28 minutes)